Mailbox: DEF - 2: Nov. 1998 – present

Thomas Edwards

From: Thomas Edwards
akingsonATaol.com
Connecticut, USA
Tue, 30 Mar 1999

Dear Brother Gordon,
I was told about your site, and am excited to make discoveries therein, in the coming months.

I have been introduced to ministry from the Brethren in the early 80's.

• After importing much literature from KBT [Kingston Bible Trust] in Lancing, I can say that the Lord has graciously used that material to minister to me greatly.

• In retrospect (something none of the Brethren could do at the time), I see that not one of them had all truth, but rather, each, as members of one body contributed their gift, for the whole.

• Avoiding such issues of division which came up, I have simply read the material and enjoyed the richness of the Word presented.

• I am excited to read additional material posted on your site, too!

May I ask if you can afford a word of encouragement in regard to being rejected from Christians when offering Godly counsel from the Word?

• Whereas that rejection belittles not so much the Word I bring, but rather myself. Follow?

• The sting of it is quite dear! and yet, I sense a responsibility from the Lord to minister to those whom I know, who lack considerable light.

Will await your reply.

To: Thomas Edwards
Wed, 31 Mar 1999

Dear Thomas, Thank you for visiting "My Brethren" and your comments. You may also enjoy some ministry which has been out of print for many years, which I hope to post in early April.

I am sure that any of the brethren whose ministry you have obtained from KBT would happily admit that they, individually, did not have all the truth.

• From my knowledge of them, they would each have served, according to their measure, as under the one "who has also ascended up above all the heavens, that He might fill all things".

• Their ministry extends for 130 years or so – from c. 1828 until recent years – and there was a continued opening up of the Scriptures and of various truths during that time.

I am not sure that I completely follow your closing remarks. But there is no doubt that rejection by those close to you may be difficult to bear.

• According to Mark's account, just before the Lord sends out the twelve He Himself experiences rejection and He counsels the twelve as to how to face it. Mark 6: 1-13.

• Paul exhorts Timothy to "be urgent in season and out of season, convict, rebuke, encourage, with all longsuffering and doctrine" in view of a time when many would "not bear sound teaching". 2 Timothy 4 1-5.

• That we may personally be belittled is surely of little importance if Christ is glorified through it.

I have said the above with no knowledge of yourself or those whom you seek to help. It would be of interest to me if you were free to share some details, and also how you heard of MB.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Thomas Edwards
Wed, 31 Mar 1999

Dear Gordon,
Thank you for your kind & prompt response to my note.

• I am printing it out and am going to pray over the Scriptures that you have indicated. I trust the Lord will meet my heart's need.

I was referred to your site by the woman who runs the site which contains the ministry of David Wilkerson. I had found it, searching for his older writings.

Yes, my first name is Thomas! Thomas Edwards.

To: Thomas Edwards
Mon, 10 May 1999

Dear Thomas,
Just wondering how you are getting on with your exercise. Would be glad to hear from you.

There are several new items on the site since your last email. Check "Site News".

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Thomas Edwards
Fri, 14 May 1999

Hello, Gordon!
Thank you for your note. I will indeed check your site, for the new material.

I am continuing laboring in prayer and the study of the Word. I have, for many years, been totally unable to understand or discern 2 Corinthians (with the small exception of a few well known areas in that precious letter).

• However, the Lord has led me to read this once again, and this time, He is giving me the needed light and I am also in soul-exercise, which intensifies my need of and the richness and relevance of those inspired words. Of this, I am humbly thankful.

The recent rejection of which I asked advice … the sting of it has subsided and I realize that truly, if we bear the words of the Lord (His mind towards something) and we share that and are rejected, then it is Himself that is once again despised and rejected of men. Sometimes men of His own House.

• It seems rather sad to me, and it must break His heart, to see so precious few of those called by His worthy Name judge themselves as they ought. Hence, His judgment. This is something that I do believe that we shall see increase in frequency, as His coming draws near.

Sincerely, Brother Thomas.

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Rick Einar

To: Rick Einar
einarATnwinternet.com
Leavenworth, WA, USA
Mon, 18 Jun 2001

Dear Rick,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. I'm always glad to hear from someone who has a "keen interest" in the brethren and their ministry. My own interest began when I was 16 and continues strongly over 55 years later.

The "recovery of the truth" continued after the early brethren you mention. I invite you to explore the ministry on MB of others used in the recovery.

• The great need now is of maintaining the truth by being exponents of it.

• This is set out clearly and urgently in Ministry: F. E. Raven: Responsibility as to the Maintenance of the Truth which is well worth reading.

I'll be interested to hear in your comments as you look into the ministry.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Larry Ellcey

To: Larry Ellcey
barbe410ATattbi.com
McKinney, Texas, USA
Thu, 24 Jan 2002

Dear Larry,
I'm glad to learn of your interest in the ministry of J. N. Darby, which has greatly helped me over the years. On this 'My Brethren' site there is also much ministry by others of the same convictions which you should find of interest.

You can obtain a catalogue from Kingston Bible Trust by emailing Malcolm Withell, the manager. See MB's "Site News: KBT Report" for his email address.

• Be sure to ask for the 'Table of Contents' available for various authors.

I will be glad to hear from you again and respond to any questions you may have as to the ministry or the servants featured on MB.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Anthony Faryad
faryadanthonyAThotmail.com
Karachi, Pakistan
Tue, 24 Jun, 2003

Dear Anthony,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. We would be glad to hear what you found of interest on MB, and some details of your own background.

In the Lord, Gordon.

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Robert G. Fear:  With Christ - October 19, 2003

To: Robert G. Fear
robert.fearATamserve.net
Prestwick, Scotland
Mon, 13 Nov 2000

Dear Robert,
In our regular weekly telephone chat last night, Andrew Robertson gave me your email address. He has often mentioned you and profitable correspondence with you.

I just wanted to take the opportunity to tell you that your hymn 109, "Blest Holy Spirit, Thou …" is much appreciated.

• I use the tune "Clifton Hampden", No. 82 in the red 1965 Tune Book Supplement with it. The composer, a Miss La Thangue, has written several fine tunes but, alas, nothing seems to be known concerning her.

I would be honoured indeed if you would visit the 'My Brethren' web site and sign our Guest Book.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Robert G. Fear
Tue, 21 Nov 2000

Dear Gordon,
Sincerest greetings in Christ! Thank you for your email message.

I am pleased to hear that Hymn 109 is still of use. It is some years since I last heard it announced in a meeting.

• Dr. A. P. Bodman, who has many excellent hymns in the book, came back from a revision meeting in 1949 and asked if I would consder writing a Gospel hymn to the Holy Spirit, as there was a paucity of these, and 109 was the result.

• I had a very happy link with APB at one time – but, sadly he went off in the 'overthrow'!

I regret that I cannot accept your invitation to visit you on your web site. I do not have access to the internet.

My wife joins me in saluting you and any brethren with you in Toronto with sincerest greetngs in our beloved Lord Jesus Christ.

Your brother in Him, Robert.

Note: Here is Robert's hymn:

No. 109     6.6.6.6.8.8.     R. G. Fear Blest Holy Spirit, Thou Who strivest here with men, We seek Thy service now, That Thou might'st show again A demonstration of God's power, To crown the service of this hour. Because of who Thou art, There is no mystery Within the human heart - 'Tis all laid bare to Thee; And Thou dost with unerring skill Expose its depths, subdue its will. O may God's word anew Move every soul today; May nought obscure our view, Or catch the seed away; And let Thy voice be clearly heard As Thou dost clothe the spoken word. Soon shall this service cease, Thy patient toil be o'er; The harvest's full increase Be God's for evermore, When Thy great work, in secret might, Has brought the treasure all to light.

To: Robert G. Fear
Wed, 22 Nov 2000

Dear Robert,
Thank you for your reply and greetings to the few brethren here.

I'm sorry that you aren't able to visit 'My Brethren' but will post your interesting message as I believe it will be of interest to some of MB's guests.

• We remember Paul Bodman well – he stayed with us in the 1960's – and we mourn for him and others.

Andrew mentioned – I hope I have it correct – a concern you have as to there being no expression of regret or repentance regarding the refusal of GRC's ministry at Exeter as to Purification and Life, a concern I share.

• I hope in the future to include some of that series of meetings on MB along with other ministry of his.

• I'm attaching a copy of my biographical sketch of GRC for your interest. It will come through as a web page and I'm not sure whether you will be able to see it properly. In any case I trust something legible arrives.

I will mention your message to the brethren on the Lord's Day, assured that they would join Betty and me in greetings in Christ to you and your wife and the brethren.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

To: Robert Fear
Sat, 11 May 2002

Dear Robert,
Andrew Robertson keeps me posted on his profitable contacts with you. Last week he mentioned you were not well, and you are in our thoughts and prayers.

We discussed a message on Dick Wyman's site from Alistair Fear who Andrew says would be your grand nephew. The message and his email address is below.

Affectionately in the Lord Jesus, Gordon

12 Apr, 2002, Alastair Fear, alastair_fearAThotmail.com My parents and us children were expelled from the James Taylor Exlusive Brethren in about 1965. My Mum had attended meetings with Open Brethren, and despite reprimands from visitors in long dark coats she did not stop. We were disowned by our Grand-Parents who remained with the exclusives and to their benefit can be said 'They were true to their calling'. But it was a great loss to them and to us. A lovely lady in the Open Brethren became our adopted Grand Mother. I have in my life become at one time an emphatic believer (but with ambitions to be an important Christian), then lost faith in God, and tried everything else (drugs, mysticism, alcohol, hard work, trust that if I earn enough money we'll be safe). But now I realise again that without the Lord I am nothing. I can do no good unless I am open to the Lord. I would like to become a simple disciple again. Just to be in tune with Jesus Christ. But I am grown older, more cynical, open to so many influences. It can never be as it was. I want to say again 'Lord! Lord!' But will he hear?

From: Robert Fear
Thu, 16 May, 2002

Dear Gordon,
Greetings in the Name of our beloved Lord and Redeemer! Thank you for your recent email, received last Lord's Day morning.

• It is true that I was not so well last week – however my wife and I, who are now in our advanced eighties, prove much mercy from a faithful God, We trust that you, and yours, may prove the same.

Thank you also for including a copy of Alastair Fear's email. I have never met the young man but

• he is the second son of my late nephew, John Fear – son of my stepbrother Paul of Leicester, who, sadly, remained in the 'Jim' System and is now with the Lord.

• John joined the Billy Graham organisation in the mid-sixties and after that was engaged in radio evangelism in the far east.

• I will, Lord willing, try to get in touch with Alastair.

Warm greetings in Christ, Robert.

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Stuart Evans

To: Stuart Evans
thoughtadjuster1AThotmail.com
Denbighshire, Wales, UK
Thu, 20 Mar 2003

Dear Stuart,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. I trust you will return and check out the much good ministry.

• Regarding your inquiry, I am copying this to my friend and brother in Christ, Nigel Herbert, who I trust will contact you shortly, and keep me in touch as to your contacts [thanks Nigel!].

• Nigel lives near Cardiff while I note that you live in the northern part of Wales.

• In the meantime, I would be glad to hear from you again. Perhaps you would share your background and what prompts your interest in 'exclusives'.

In the Lord, Gordon.

From: Stuart Evans
Fri, 21 Mar 2003

Are the Plymouth Brethren the same as Exclusive Brethren?

To: Stuart Evans
Fri, 21 Mar 2003

Dear Stuart,
The answer could be 'Yes' or 'No' depending on who is using the terms and the context.

• I'm sure that Nigel Herbert or one of his contact in your area will be able to explain the situation.

Nigel has just written: "Thanks for passing on details of Stuart Evans. I will get in touch with him to see how we can assist.

• "Whilst we are about 200 miles and 3 hours journey from him, we enjoy happy fellowship with some who meet probably only 20 miles from where Stuart lives. I will keep you updated!"

In the Lord, Gordon.

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David Ferguson
davefergusonATiprimus.com.au
Australia
Mon, 5 Jul 2004

Dear David,
Your inquiry as to tracts was apparently forwarded to 'My Brethren' by infoATwithdrawnfrom.com – and I hope that you will visit us at MB and explore the much good ministry.

• I'm sending your inquiry to my friend Malcolm Withell of Kingston Bible Trust – the successor to Stow Hill – as I believe they stock GC's 'Safety, Certainty and Enjoyment'.

For our records we would appreciate learning your city – and any background you feel free to share.

In our Lord, Gordon.

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Nick Fleet

From: Nick Fleet
nrfleetAThotmail.com
Tunbridge Wells, UK
Fri, 13 Oct 2000

Dear brother Gordon
I discovered your website yesterday while searching for details of Leap Castle. This is just a brief note to introduce myself – I'll correspond in more detail when I have more time.

I share your ecclesiastical history if not your current circle of fellowship – I meet with so-called Reunited Brethren in Tunbridge Wells. I run a Bible Depot (in my spare time) from a shop in the town.

My particular interest at the moment is in the history of the Little Flock Hymn Book.

• I was pleased to see you have photos of AJG and Stuart Price – I've been searching for these for ages. Would it be possible to have a copy of these images by email.

• I could reciprocate with a scanned photo of Robert Stott if you were interested.

I can also add some biographical information which you may not have:

• Stuart Price was George Henry Stuart Price (1911-63)
• Robert Stott (1902-76)
• Percy H Lyon (1882-1966)
• Malcolm Watson Biggs (1875-1941)

Thanks also for approximate dates for A E Myles – I can check these against record office in London next week, previously I had no real idea where to begin!

Under the 1932 photo of the ten revisers, you have M W Biggs as being from Guildford. I think this is a mistake – he was at Enfield where my grandmother was local.

• I have A M Hayward as being from Montreal at the time of the revision.

• Can you confirm that G W Ware was from Guildford?

Apologies for these abrupt questions – I'm just typing as I think of them in haste!

Kind regards in Christ, Nick Fleet.

To: Nick Fleet
Fri,13 Oct 2000

Dear Nick,
I'm glad your search for details of Leap Castle brought you to 'My Brethren', and indeed hope to hear from you again as you suggest.

The images of AJG and GHSP you requested are attached – glad to share them and any others with you.

• A scanned photo of Robert Stott would be most welcome. I have photos when he and Kathleen stayed with us in 1971, but they aren't too suitable for scanning.

• While we're on the subject – and I quite realize that you may not have any of these – I'm interested in jpg's, or good photos, of AEM, AMH, GWW, MWB, GRC or any other brethren mentioned on MB.

• Thanks very much too for the biographical information which, as you well know, is sometimes difficult to find.

We share an interest in the history of the Little Flock hymn book. Recently I have received a copy of the full "Hymn Book Revision" of 1932, which I hope to add.

• Of course you will have noticed that I have only meagre data on other lines of revisions, and I would be glad of any details you might have and be willing to share, or any corrections.

Regarding the 1932 photo of the revisers, the names and localities were furnished by the brother who gave me the photo.

• He is originally from Britain and seems well acquainted with such details. But I'll be sure check as to MWB and Guildford or Enfield.

• I've not sure as to AMH as he seemed to move a good deal, as also AEM did. I'd welcome any details on AEM which you find.

• AMH may well have lived in Montreal for some time as his brother Jack (SJH, a photographer) lived there, as AEM also did for a while. Later AMH seemed to live in NZ.

• Sadly, there are not many older brethren (I'm only a youth of 71) available who might know such details.

Thank you again and I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

To: Nick Fleet
Tue, 24 Oct 2000

Dear Nick,
I'm wondering whether you have been able to trace dates for AEM yet.

I have checked on MWB's locality and will let you know when I hear from you. Also awaiting photo of Robert Stott.

Also, I mentioned your message to a friend in USA who recalls being told that some 2 years ago you were also in contact with our mutual friend Eric Burr of London. Interesting.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Nick Fleet
Tue, 24 Oct 2000

Dear Gordon
Sorry I hadn't got back to you before now. Thank you for the jpeg images of AJG and GHSP.

I was in London last week but didn't have time to check AEM's dates. However, I'm going again this Thursday so will see if I can get the exact dates.

I did have a telephone conversation with Eric Burr some time ago. He was very helpful in giving me some approximate dates and we also discuss the economics of printing hymn books.

I was interested in GHSP's account of the '51 revision, it was new to me. Would you be able to supply a photocopy of the account?

• I should also like a copy of your hymn index and supplement, if possible (I thought I had copies of every LF edition but I was wrong!).

• The depot address is HoldFast Bible & Tract Depot, 100 Camden Road, Tunbridge Wells, TN1 2QP, UK. I'd be happy to pay any costs plus postage.

Yours in Him, Nick.

To: Nick Fleet
Tue, 24 Oct 2000

Dear Nick,
Thanks for your reply.

I'll be glad to send you a copy of the '51 Revision and the other items you mention. I'll have to reprint (laser printer) as I don't stock them. This may take a little while with other demands. Don't be concerned about costs or postage. I'm happy to reciprocate your readiness to assist.

I checked with Andrew Robertson as to MWB's locality and your mention of Enfield jogged his memory.

• He now agrees that Enfield is correct. You mentioned your grandmother was local at Enfield. Was she with the same company as you are?

• Andrew confirms GWW local at Guildford. As a boy, he remembers GWW vacationing at St. Andrew's and having readings in the open air with brethren also there.

• He also recalls that AMH lived in Montreal for some time, and that AEM lived there for a number of years prior to being in Canada in WW2 when he could not return to England.

• AEM's daughter Rene lived there married to Jim K Pollock. We knew them well. JKP has a hymn in the 1951 (#469) and 1962 (#331) hymn book.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Nick Fleet
02 Nov 2000

Dear brother Gordon,
I received copies of AEM's birth and death certificates this morning. The details are: (?) indicates where writing not clear.

Birth: Albert Ernest Myles, born 28th March 1880 at Healey Wood Square, Rastrick, Halifax, County of York
Father = Alexander Myles, Occupation = (Iron Founder ?)
Mother = Martha Myles formerly (Mattheison ?)

Death: Died 5th August 1971 at 212 Goring Road, Worthing, West Sussex
Occupation = Engineer (Retired)
Informant = Florence Isabel Myles, widow of deceased
Cause of death = Cerebal haemorrhage

I also have PL's birth certificate. I got this because Neil Short had told me that PL actually had a middle initial "H". Neil had once asked him what it stood for but the reply was told "PL will do"! He was registered only as Percy so the mystery remains for now!

Details are:
Percy Lyon --- [Deleted: see correction below].

Hope this is of interest. If there are any other details you would like help with, I'll see what I can do.

Regards, Nick.

To: Nick Fleet
Thu, 02 Nov 2000

Dear Nick,
Yes, thank you. The information is of great interest. I don't know of any other info needed at the present but will let you know if anything comes up. Thanks for your offer.

We had regular contact with Neil and Edith Short, whom you mention, for some years, but none in recent times.

I haven't forgotten promised copies re hymn book, but I'm having trouble getting my printer to work with my new computer and WordPerfect.

I look forward to further contact as things arise.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Nick Fleet
03 Nov 2000

Dear Gordon,

We had Neil and Edith with us 2 months ago – they had to return sooner than intended because Neil needed an operation, thankfully successful so far. They moved a year or two back "to retire" but no signs of slowing down, it seems. I forget where they are now, still in Ontario though.

Regards, Nick.

From: Nick Fleet
Tue, 27 Nov 2000

Dear Gordon,
Re MWB below, I was informed by my father yesterday that it was MWB's son, Lawrence Biggs, who was at Guildford, so that may be where Andrew got his idea from.

• However, both my mother's mother and my father's mother remember MWB well at Enfield.

• My father says he was known affectionately as "Metropolitan Water Board"!

• As I said previously, my mother's mother was local at Enfield and my father's mother was at Ealing.

Re your question below, no my grandmother wasn't in the same company as me (well, she was actually but that will only confuse you, so I'll explain properly!)

• Both my grandmothers were brought up in the 'Raven-Taylor' brethren (that, is their parents were in the meetings), both grandfathers were converted and came into fellowship.

• So I was brought up in JTJr's system (I was born in 1963).

• My father's parents came out in '59/60. We came out in 1970 after Aberdeen, my mother's parents a year or two later.

• We met with others who came out, following the Rogers/Oxted line until going to the OBs in about 1981.

• My parents are now back with R/O (which almost amounts to the same thing!) but, as you know, I came into fellowship with Reunited group (in 1986).

• My father's parents were with '59s, although Grandpa linked up with Frosts before his death in '86. My mother's parents were last in OBs – all grandparents with the Lord now.

By the way, I have a copy trust deed for Stow Hill depot dated 1932 which has AEM's address as Barnet – you may like to update the reference on your 1932 revision photo.

Kind regards, Nick.

To: Nick Fleet
Mon, 04 Dec 2000

Dear Nick,
Your views on the present state of the reunion are quite interesting, confirming and adding to other info I had. It will be off the record of course.

• And, as you suggest, it could raise some interesting discussions. Perhaps when my workload settles we can resume this subject.

Thanks very much for the jpg of Robert Stott. It is quite good. I have added it to the note on the 1973 re-selection and will probably have further use for it.

• I specified a reduced image size which works quite well on my home html computer files, but it shows a blank image on the web site.

• I'm going to have to seek some technical advice to solve this problem. Perhaps it should have been reduced first but I don't have software for this as yet.

I still haven't had time to on get my printer to work with my new computer and WordPerfect, but don't despair.

Thanks too for the Barnet address for AEM, which I have changed. The info re MWB is welcome and unusual ;-)

• The "copy trust deed for Stow Hill depot dated 1932" – or part of it – might make a good addition to MB's "History: Stow Hill Depot" if you are willing to share.

The background on your family history is very interesting. Perhaps your family – and your own childhood – connection with those with whom I too once was may explain your kindly attitude towards me which others do not share.

• In any case, I do appreciate and value the brotherly contacts and trust they will continue as occasion provides.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Nick Fleet
13 Feb 2001

Dear Gordon,
Just a quick note to ask if you have had any success printing off a copy of GHSP's account of the 1951 Revision?

I'll try to remember to dig out my copies of the Stow Hill Trust Deed and send it to you by snail mail.

Regards, Nick Fleet.

To: Nick Fleet
Sat, 17 Feb 2001

Dear Nick,
Sorry for the delay re the 1951 revision. The day to day work with MB has kept me occupied. I am now converting from WP6.1 DOS to WP9 WIN for my booklets. This takes a little time adjusting pages etc. Excuses, excuses!

• But I hope to send on my own copies of the "Hymn" booklets as soon as I am assured that I can print out the adjusted files properly with WP9 WIN.

I'll look forward to seeing the Stow Hill Trust Deed. I have some other early information on Stow Hill, from brothers in England, that I haven't yet been able to update yet, plus notes of several of the later Stow Hill "meetings" that should round out the history on MB.

Check recent Mailbox entries with Malcolm Withell re our hymn concordance program.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

To: Nick Fleet
Tue, 13 Mar 2001

Dear Nick,
More delays! I'm still having trouble with the printing and little time to work on it. Also right now my wife and I are battling the flu.

I'm attaching an extract from a WP6.1 Dos file for the 1951 notes. I'm hopeful you can import this into your word processor and print out an acceptable copy. Perhaps converting it to ascii would work if all else fails.

• Alternatively, you could save (copy) the web page. Open in WordPad and delete everything except 1951, save. Open in your browser and print. This might work better.

Sorry for the trouble. Let me know how it all works out.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Nick Fleet
Wed, 14 Mar 2001

Dear Gordon,
Thanks very much – the file imported into MS Word OK and has printed out nicely.

Regards, Nick.

From: Nick Fleet
nrfleetAThotmail.com
Thu, 1 Apr 2004

Dear Gordon,
I was interested to read Charles Barrett's information about PL's date of birth and I apologise for having given you incorrect information in my email of 2nd Nov 2000. It is not the first mistake I have made and I doubt it will be the last!

• I have obtained the birth certificate of the right Percy Lyon and can confirm the date as 7th December 1881.

• He was born Percy Hill Lyon to George and Marian Lyon – formerly Johnston.

• They lived at 164 Haverstock Hill, Hampstead, Middlesex.

• His father's occupation was described as "H. M. Civil Service".

• So Neil [Short], you were right that PL had a middle initial 'H'!

Peter Bodman of Scripture Text Publishing Co. told me that PL and Ruth Bodman were married in South Africa but Neil remembers a wedding meeting at Park Street.

• Could it be that they married in SA and then had a meeting later in London? I would be interested to know more.

We recently – February – had a family holiday on the Isle of Wight – St. Lawrence. We visited Ryde and I took a photo of the old – 1940s – meeting room, now a house.

With regards in our Lord Jesus, Nick Fleet.

To: Nick Fleet
Thu, 1 Apr 2004

Dear Nick,
It's good to hear from you again. Thanks for the corrected details on P [H] L. You certainly excel at tracking down information – a valuable service.

• I'll let you know if I find out anything re a marriage fellowship meeting in London for the Lyons. I had a perfect opportunity to inquire when we had them for dinner in our home in 1965, but of course didn't know enough to ask.

• After the 1964 Dorking meetings I was in PL's home for tea – with a lerge number of brethren – on Haverstock Hill, perhaps the house of his parents.

From our earlier correspondence I'm unsure whether you were able to get all the details you wanted on the hymns, particularly our 1993 supplement and the subject/author indexes.

• If you are interested, that is all available now on History: Hymns. As well, there are several depot meetings now on History: Stow Hill. Please feel free to copy any pages you want.

At one point you mentioned the Stow Hill Trust Deed. Is it possible to email a copy?

I gather you are in contact with Neil Short. We haven't heard from Neil and Edith for many years – since they moved from Toronto – but Betty and I have fond memories of many visits with them.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

To: Nick Fleet
Mon, 5 Apr 2004

Dear Nick,
According to Andrew Robertson, who was living in London at the time, there was a 'commendatory' meeting for PL and Ruth Bodman, possibly in December 1950.

• They then travelled to South Africa -- PL by air and Ruth by sea with several sisters -- and were married in Cape Town, January 1951.

• No reason is known for this unusual arrangement.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Nick Fleet
Thu, 8 Feb 2007

Dear Gordon,
I notice in your brief biography of Joseph Revell that you say you can only trace one tune by him, 'The Bride'. However, he also wrote the following which appear on pp 22-31 and 62 in 'Praise Songs', published by J. W. Sargeant of Peterborough c. 1900:

'A Praise Song', 1885
The Saviour's Praise, 8.7.8.7. (and #150 in 'Little Flock Tune Book Supplement', 1965)
'Awake!'
'The Well By the Way'
'Blessed Be God', 1888

• It was in 'Praise Songs' that some other well-known tunes (such as those by Miss S. M. Walker) first appeared.

To: Nick Fleet
Fri, 9 Feb 2007

Dear Nick,
So good to hear from you again. Thanks for the information re Mr. Revell which will be posted in the appropriate spot. Such contributions are really appreciated.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Walter Fleming

To: Walter Fleming
walterATcreativehouse.com
Newmarket, Ontario, Canada
Sat, 4 Sep 1999

Dear Walter,
Thanks for visiting MB. I hope you find it all worthwhile.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Walter Fleming
Fri, 29 Dec 2000

I've finally found your page again. I've done some print outs to give me more time to study them. Thank you.

Love in our Lord Jesus, Walter.

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Reg Flowerdew

To: Reg Flowerdew
reg.flowerdewATbtinternet.com
Camberley, Surrey, England
Thu, 24 May 2001

Dear Reg,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. I share your interest in biographies and trust you will find those on MB of interest.

Sadly, there seems to be little information on George Cutting available.

• The hymn book as you know shows the dates 1843-1934 for him. In "Poetry: the Man in the Glory" I have "He died April 29, 1934, aged 91" – but the source is unknown.

• Arthur Cutting is understood to be his brother.

• GC was possibly intimate with CHM for there is an 1890 letter of CHM's to GC in
  Biography: F. E. Raven: His Friends: CHM.

• In Guests: My Answer 1: Edward Dennett & George Cutting (letter 2) there are some comments as to GC's possible position regarding Glanton.
  • Noel's 1936 "The History of the Brethren" to which reference is made is long out of print.

• This is the little information I have. The standard histories have nothing to add.

• I will post a "Bulletin" asking for help from guests and let you know if anything develops. If you find anything further I would appreciate it if you would share it.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

To: Reg Flowerdew
Tue, 29 May 2001

Dear Reg,
In response to MB's Bulletin asking for information on Geo. Cutting, John Vedder sent the following.

• This is the item I referred to and commented on, but did not quote, in Guests: My Answer 1: Edward Dennett & George Cutting.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

__________

In regard to George Cutting, I include an excerpt from N. Noel's "The History of the Brethren" (original italics lost):

Writing on the subject of Glanton receiving as individuals the hungry and wayworn sheep of Christ in a day of difficulty and dispersion, the late Mr. George Cutting (who died April 29, 1934, aged 91), author of "Nothing to Pay," and "The Man in the Glory," and of the booklet "Safety, Certainty and Enjoyment," of which latter 7,000,000 copies have been issued, said:

If it were asked, what Scripture had Glanton for receiving such individuals? they might consistently reply: The same as for receiving any true believer who has separated himself from what denied the Lord His rights, and who desired association with those who sought to answer to His mind. If scripture plainly instructs such individuals to find such a gathering, it points, quite as plainly, to the receiving of such individuals by such a gathering (2 Tim. ii. 22).

I personally forbear making any comment, for or against, the action of Glanton in its own sphere of responsibility. In receiving or refusing individuals applying there, they were, and are, answerable to the Lord Himself, and to Him alone. Apart from complicity with evil, either in doctrine, or practice, or principle, an assembly judgment honestly arrived at in seeking to carry out the Lord's will, should be left with them (always leaving room for remonstrance) and not be over-ridden by private judgment elsewhere. If, while remembering the prayerful exercises of those at Glanton, it is still considered that they acted hastily or unwisely, or that in any way they had mistaken the Lord's mind, then instead of insisting on their bending to our judgment, it would surely be better pleasing to the Lord to prayerfully leave any necessary correction in His hands, and not cause division, with its attendant sorrow, by taking it into our own.

"The fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace" (James iii. 18).

__________

Here NN mentions GC's date of death, and from the contents it would appear he supported Glanton. FER also mentions a 10 day visit of GC in July 1892 in his Letters. [see page 68] John Vedder.

From: Reg Flowerdew
Tue, 12 Jun 2001

Dear Gordon,
Just a brief and somewhat belated note to thank you for sending information, so far as it can be gleaned, re George Cutting.

• As you request, if I find more from another source, I will pass it on to you.

• GC seems to have been, in JND's words, "unknown yet well known".

• I sense that, in the spirit of John the Baptist, he sought to magnify his Master, not himself. "He must increase, but I must decrease", John 3: 30. We should emulate him.

Your brother in Christ, Reg Flowerdew.

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John Fooks

To: John Fooks
jfooksATnetbiz.net.au
Melbourne, Australia
Wed, 13 Jun 2001

Dear John,
Thanks for visiting 'My Brethren' and for sharing some personal details. I hope you will visit again and perhaps find a renewed interest in our common pre-1959 heritage.

In a list I once made from pre-1970 'green books', I have the initials of H. R. Fooks and W. J. Fooks, both of Sydney, no doubt relatives.

Another guest from Melbourne referred to a Brian Cox whom I do not know. Is he a relative and/or connected with one of the "breakaway groups" which you attended?

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: John Fooks
Sun, 17 Jun 2001

Gordon,
Thanks for the follow up, H.R. was my grandfather I'm not sure who W.J. but I will ask mum and get back to you.

I have not been a part of any break away groups in Melbourne since 1978 as I married a lass from the Dutch Reformed Church which has now become knmown as the Christian Reformed Church.

• If you are not aware it is a church of similiar doctrines as the Presbyterian Church.

• I am happily married with 4 children and have an active church lifs and walking with our Lord Jersus Christ.

Once again thanks for the fiollow up and if you are aware of any who have 'left' and are in our locality who 'need a hand' do not hesitate in contacting me.

I am aware that Lilydale is a hub for the brethren and I see that they are building a new church and a school on Swansea Road in Lilydale. That will be the 4th hall they have in a 3 km radius.

Yours in His service, John.

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Esli J. Forrest

To: Esli J. Forrest
eforrestATiconz.co.nz
Auckland, New Zealand
Sat, Feb 13, 1999

Dear Esli,
Thank you for your perceptive and timely remarks. I trust that the Spirit will use them to stimulate other guests.

• They are a very real encouragement both to me personally and in my exercise to reach out to our brethren.

• You may be interested to know that your message came at a special time of need. I have been under heavy pressure and criticism for seeking to maintain the truth of our Lord's Sonship, as we have been taught and as I am assured it is presented in the Scriptures.

• How good of our Lord to provide a strengthening word at this time. "As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country", Proverbs 25: 25.

If you feel free, I would be glad to hear something of your own circumstances and experiences in these difficult days.

• We have heard almost nothing of New Zealand for many years, but have happy memories of brethren to whom, sadly, we no longer have access.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Esli J. Forrest
Sat, 27 Feb 1999

Hi Gordon,
I am sorry I have not been able to answer before. Health and other things have prevented it. I appreciate what you seek to do on the web. The Lord knows and He can use it.

There is a small gathering of about 20 in Auckland, that has continued in one form or another, since 1959.

• Most now, have had no connection with brethren in their past, but the Lord has blest with divine light. There are others with whom we can have fellowship at various centres in NZ.

• Myself, my wife and family have gathered thus since 1978, having been delivered 25 years ago.

We hold only to our Head in heaven, and believe that all unity on earth must flow only from this.

• We acknowledge no circle or group of brethren fellowship, but acknowledge other individual members of Christ, whom we believe are seeking to be true to Him.

• One serious departure from the truth among brethren has been to set up something of themselves on earth in a circle less than the whole body.

We must be content with mystery in the present time. Our gathering to His name on earth, links us with Himself beyond death. This is mystery.

• Two or three can simply gather as individual members of the whole, but form nothing.

• If they hold fast only to the Head in heaven they will be neither open nor independent.
  • To accuse them as such, is to accuse Christ. I know that this is the standard 'brethren line' but it has not been practised.

• Mr. Raven states, that "the truth is maintained in the practice of it, not the teaching of it". The challenge of the present is to live what we have been taught. To walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

I agree with what you put on the web, but question whether the supper is the entrance to the assembly. We are 'baptised by One Spirit into one body'. It involves going out of sight. The natural mind wants what can be seen and defined.

• The supper can be seen, but attaches the mind and heart to what went into death. What flows from that, – (where the Lord honours it with His spiritual presence) – is
  • an experience in what can be neither seen nor defined. It is a world out of death. I think the supper is the doorway into this.

• I think the Lord means this when He says to Philadelphia, "I have set before thee an opened door".
  • Only a Philadelphian would know what He was talking of, but would not try to explain it.

  • She knows what the Lord means when He says, "and he shall go no more at all out". It is better felt than telt.

• Philadelphia is not like Laodicea. She says nothing. She, like Mary of Bethany, lets the Lord do the talking. It is much more interesting! Brethren talk about themselves too much.

Well may the Lord bless and help you, and may you likewise be a blessing to others.

Your brethren in the Lord, Esli and Judy Forrest.

To: Esli J. Forrest
Mon, 08 Mar 1999

Dear Esli,
This acknowledgement of your last email with the welcome information as to Auckland and New Zealand generally, for which I thank you, is long overdue. Here are a few thought on some of your comments.

You remark, "I … question whether the supper is the entrance to the assembly. We are 'baptised by One Spirit into one body'. It involves going out of sight. The natural mind wants what can be seen and defined. The supper can be seen, but attaches the mind and heart to what went into death. What flows from that, – (where the Lord honours it with His spiritual presence) – is an experience in what can be neither seen nor defined. It is a world out of death. I think the supper is the doorway into this."

This may refer to my statement, "A prerequisite to the orderly development of the service of God was the opening up, in F.E.R.'s ministry in the 1880-90's, of the proper place of the Lord's Supper as introductory to the assembly spiritually – the Lord's death, depicted by the Lord's Supper, being the closing up of one order and the opening up of a new order on the other side of death" – Romans 6: 10. "We then, as assembled and having first broken bread, are to pass over to Christ's side of things and come under His headship in the service of God" … Eph. 2: 18, Heb. 2: 12, Eph. 3: 21

Comparing our statements there seems little difference except in the form of expression.

• Perhaps, if instead of saying "introductory to the assembly spiritually" I had said "introductory to the spiritual realm in which the presence of Christ is known" (which is my meaning) the statement might have been clearer.

• Of course, I can't speak for you but it seems, to me at least, that we really hold the same truth.

Regarding your remarks as to gathering I would certainly not want to accuse anyone of being "open" or independent simply because they may seem to be acting differently from my understanding of the truth.

• But in all these matters it is important, I believe, in order to establish brotherly confidence that we all leave ourselves and our practices open to the scrutiny and counsel of our brethren.

I cannot speak of, or for, other brethren – including those in New Zealand – as to how they actually work matters out, but I can speak for the few here.

We are not likely to be accused of being "open". While we love and respect our brethren of whatever persuasion,

• we would not be free to welcome to share in the breaking of bread, either permanently or occasionally, any who were not known to be living a godly life and who could not prove their genealogy through practical separation from sectarian groups in particular and from worldly associations in general.

Doubtless, some might feel justified in accusing us of independency because we have no formal, or informal, links of fellowship with brethren elsewhere, either here or abroad.

• This is not by choice but because, up to now at least, we have not been aware of other brethren with whom we might, with good conscience, express fellowship in the breaking of bread and who would also be free to accept us.

• If we were faced practically with such a situation it might prove to be a test to us, and perhaps to others.

It would be naive of us here to think that there would be no practical problems.

• Over the years differences of understanding as to certain teachings and various practices may well have come in. This is certainly true for ourselves.

• Some of these differences might cause concern to our brethren.

• We might be concerned as to the maintaining of certain beliefs or the continuation of certain practices which we now deem to be unscriptural or, at least, indifferent, but which others may consider to be essential and non-negotiable.

• Thus the situation as to practical fellowship now is certainly more testing than it was years ago when we all (wrongly, of course) accepted an earthly central supreme authority and a uniform, if ever changing, code of conduct and doctrine.

• You and others in New Zealand seem to have been able to work such matters out.

Thank you for your comments which will always be welcome. Please drop in from time to time and check out new items. You will, of course, be familiar with many.

May you and Judy continued to experience the Lord's blessing in your pathway, individually and collectively.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Esli J. Forrest
Sat, 27 Mar 1999

Dear Gordon, Thank you for your brotherly reply to my letter. It is clear I mis-read or mis-understood what was meant by the supper being the entrance to the assembly.

• What is clear, and what I rejoice in, is that we clearly think the same as to it.

• John 14 is very encouraging in this. Not only did the Lord discern that we would need 'another Comforter', but that we would need Himself to come to us.

• Whereas He assures the Comforter would be with us forever, He knew the need that only He Himself could fill, and so He assures that we would not be left orphaned, but says 'I am coming to you'.

• Where the reality of love was maintained He goes further and says, 'We will make our abode with him'. How tenderly He provides for love's needs! and comforts the lonely heart.

I am glad that you have no formal or informal links abroad.

• The great danger is that brethren set something up that is less than the 'true tabernacle that the Lord has pitched, and not man.'

• This denies our links with the Lord as Head, links that extend beyond the present scene and beyond death.

• Brian Deck used to say that he felt the Lord may have more to says as to eternal life, and I think he was right. How real are our links with Himself in the eternal scene.

• He says, 'but ye see me, and because I live ye also shall live. In that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.'

• I do not think that I know it as well as I should. Of course these things belong to the unseen world, and that is a great test to faith.

I am sorry that we have been so busy that I have not replied earlier. We have been caring for a widowed sister, who has had a very critical heart condition. She is now in hospital and has had a quadruple by-pass and so the pressure is off us a little.

I am attaching a letter to David Burr, as it explains where I and others here stand as regards fellowship. It may be of interest.

Love in the Lord, Esli.

To: Esli J. Forrest
Thu, 12 Aug 1999

Dear Esli,
A report of your being unwell has come by a letter of David Church to Andrew Robertson. Be assured of our prayers for your comfort and recovery. (No need to reply.)

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

To: Esli J. Forrest
Mon, 15 Jan 2001

Dear Esli,
Ministry: J. Collie-Smith is now on MB, and the first article is "The Testimony in the World". Others will follow as time permits.

• I have a total of 5 articles received from a brother in Slovakia which seem to be part of a book, perhaps "The Mystery".

• As I understand JC-S was from NZ it would be appreciated if you or David Church could provide some biographical details: dates, places, background, ministry, etc.

• I think someone, perhaps Daniel Soukoreff, told me that JC-S was the brother to whom C. W. Wycherley's "Letters on Baptism" were addressed. Can you confirm?

I trust you are keeping better.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Esli J. Forrest
Tue, 16 Jan 2001

Hi Gordon,
Just a brief reply. Yes, Daniel is perfectly right. C. W. Wycherley wrote the "Letters on Baptism" to JC-S when he was a young man.

• The letters continue to be of help. In fact we gave it to an earnest young brother this week end and it was a great help to him.

Mr. Wycherley was Helen Church's grand father.

• David Church and myself both had the privilege of sitting under the teaching of dear JC-S, A. M. Hayward, W. J. Bishop, Malcolm Brodie, and dear old Stoven Foster in Auckland in our younger days.

• He [i.e. DC] much more than me as he is well into his eighties.

• They were times of rich instruction in the word and opening up of the great truths of our high calling.

• Over a very few years the Lord just took all these dear men from us. Between 1952 and 1957 they were all gone.

• The enquiries into the truth when they were with us are unforgettable.

• The book, 'The Mystery', is very good but there are others. 'The Laws of the Kingdom' by AMH is also excellent, but it is some years since I read it.

• While JT was greatly respected by these men, it is often overlooked that the Lord had not left us short in any gift. There were many others.

• Concentration on one man I am afraid led the brethren down a wrong line.

• What is greatly needed at the present is to take on what dear FER laboured at. We need delivering from brethrenism. He hated it! CAC is also to be greatly valued.

2 Timothy does not form a circle – it puts us on a moral course of things, within the confusion and ruin of the 'Great House' of Christendom.

• The tendency has been to emphasise the "those" of verse 22, to try to identify a circle, which is entirely wrong because it is just part of the of the participle, "those that call". It describes the character but does not identify the persons.

• It is part of the moral nature being pursued with others of that kind, along with righteousness, faith, love, and peace.

• Mr Darby gives a note "d" to Mark 14: 18, to a participle of the same form which makes it clear.

• Brethren have misused 2 Timothy to form a circle of their own fellowship, apart from the fellowship of the Son of God, to which all are called.

There is no other fellowship than Christian fellowship.

• That does not mean that I as an individual can lower or alter the moral standards that fellowship with the Son of God requires.

• All is based on His blood and my continuing communion in it. I cannot be in the communion of His blood and continue in that for which it was shed.

• It must draw me into the holiness that required it. This is how the testimony to the Son of God (Psalm 2) is to be maintained on the earth – by each loyal subject taking individual resposiblity to maintain it.

• We are drawn by attraction to the moral features of the Man we love. This is "mystery". It is not an outward thing, like a circle of fellowship that can be indentified on the earth.

• JC-S laboured to teach us that the testimony is to be maintained in "mystery". He discerned and remarked, that brethren tended to want something of themselves that was identifiable on the earth, rather than being content with mystery.

• There should not be an outward thing to hold us together in a circle. The locusts even had Solomon puzzled. They had no king, but went about in bands.

• Our "King" is another Man in another world, and His kingdom is "not from hence". Our common attraction to Himself in that world will forever make us a mystery in this world. Let us have no earthly circle.

These are just a few of the impressions that I remember receiving as a young man listening to J. Collie-Smith and the others.

• David and Helen would be able to give far more biographical details and I will ask them.

• My mother spoke of JC-S as being local in Wellington in the early 1930's, likewise AMH, but I only remember them in Auckland.

• I think he came from England as a young man, before the Wycherley letters, and was then identified with the so called Open fellowship.

Be encouraged in the Lord. With love in Him, Esli.

To: Esli J. Forrest
Wed, 17 Jan 2001

Dear Esli,
Thanks for the details on JC-S and others. I have now been able to produce Biography: Brief Sketches: J. Collie-Smith with this information.

• I have put a link on it to your email with your appreciation of the ministry of JC-S.

• Any further details on JC-S, CWW, AMH (I have done a brief sketch on him earlier) or others from yourself and/or David Church will be most welcome.

Your thoughts as to 2 Timothy are similar to mine. See Studies: 2 Timothy 2: 19-22 – Reconsidered.

You are certainly right in saying, "the Lord had not left us short in any gift". In the Ministry group of MB, I seek to draw attention to the many servants whom the Lord has use in the recovery of the truth.

• "Much of the ministry presented here is therefore by other servants whose names may not now be generally known. Some ministered more extensively than others, but all served in the Spirit of Christ. Their ministry is particularly valuable as bearing witness to the Spirit's testimony to the truths advanced by those more prominent in the work of the Lord."

I haven't heard lately from Tom Hawkins as to the progress of your hymn book project but doubtless will in due course.

Please salute the brethren with you, and if there is opportunity remember me to Phil Hickmott.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Esli Forrest
Mon, 22 Jan 2001

Hi Gordon,
Just a few other details and corrections. I have enquired of David & Helen and Phil Hickmott and can confirm the following:

JC-S came to New Zealand from Scotland (or may be England) very early in the 1900's probably about 1902. He was then 17 years of age and very unwell.

• He came to NZ because of his health. He resided first off with Phil Hickmott's grandmother in Christchurch and she looked after him. This would mean he was probably born about 1885.

• Mr Wycherley was at that time living in Christchurch, not Auckland as you suggest in the notes.

• About 1912-13 [actually 1910] JC-S got in touch with him and the correspondence began.

• Mr Wycherley I believe, at that time kept a saddelry and harness business in Christchurch. Mrs Hickmott had other sons including Phil's father.

An attachment to Mrs Collie-Smith had already been formed before he migrated. She came from a small village in Scotland. She later migrated and they married.

When JC-S became clear as to the truth he helped Mrs. Hickmott and her family into it as well.

• As I have indicated he later resided in Wellington. My parents lived there as well, both having been converted and come into 'the way'.

• My father was very ill, and died at 42, when I was 22 months, leaving my mother with 8 children in depression years. We shifted to Auckland about the time of my father's death, soon after the Collie-Smiths.

• I remember him from very early, as one who cared with genuine feelings about how the saints got on.

I also remember very distinctly three day meetings with him in Hamilton.

• I have notes of an address he gave on the 'Service of God' especially for younger brethren.

• The notes are very old and of poor quality. I have tried in vain to scan them for you but it has not worked. If I can get somebody to type them out again I will get them to you.

Trusting this helps, Your brother Esli.

To: Esli Forrest
Mon, 22 Jan 2001

Dear Esli,
Thanks very much for all your efforts, and the additional information which is valuable and will find a place in Biography: Brief Sketches: J. Collie-Smith.

Yes, I would certainly appreciate the notes. If you can get them typed, they would be most useful in a plain ascii file.

I am not posting your earlier email re 2 Timothy 2 etc., although I may post parts later and make some comments. Thank you for it.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Esli Forrest
Sun, 18 Feb 2001

Hi Gordon,
Attached are notes of the J.C-S address. They were just shorthand notes taken down at the time, but I think they would have been checked by him.

Esli.

To: Esli Forrest
Sun, 18 Feb 2001

Dear Esli,
Thanks for the notes of 'Remarks on the Service of God' by JC-S. It is an excellent address and fills one of the many gaps on MB.

• Thanks too for the ascii text. It saves me a lot of typing and allows it to be posted sooner than otherwise.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Esli Forrest
Tue, 3 Aug 2004

Hi Gordon,
Thanks for the email from Martyn. I have written him,

I would also like to correct a few details that I gave you re J. Collie-Smith. The narrated details are fine but the dates are wrong.

• There is a letter in Letters on Baptism that clears this and as it is from himself it would have to take preference to what I obtained from Phil Hickmott and the Church's.

• It is the letter No. 6 written May 31, 1910. It says he was converted 12 years before when he was 15. This means he was born 27 years before the letter date which makes his birth date 1883.

• Further research and revival of my own memory makes the date of his death to December 1949. This means he was 66 years old.

• I remember his 3 day meetings in Hamilton just before his death. The subject was 'The Assembly', as the wife, the body, the mystery, the bride and the city. I think I have it right.

• I also remember catching the tram, after my studies, to race up town to the East Street hall for readings with him, AMH and WJB when I was a young student. I thank the Lord for what I got as divine light then. Living and walking in the light is another matter.

Esli.

To: Esli Forrest
Fri, 6 Aug 2004

Dear Esli,
Thanks for the corrections re JC-S which have been posted to his bio.

Please let me know how you get on with Martyn Buckland.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Paul Forshaw

To: Paul Forshaw
paul-forshawATfish.co.uk
Newton Abbot, Devon, England
Thu, 30 Jan, 2003

Dear Paul,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. Did you notice the address in your locality? See Later Ministry by G.R. Cowell: Part 5 for 'The Shepherd and Bishop of our Souls' – Newton Abbott, April 18, 1961.

Regarding Letters of JND, volume 3, you can obtain it from Kingston Bible Trust in Lancing.

• See Guests: Site News: KBT Report for email address of Malcolm Withell, the manager, who will be glad to help you. I am copying this to Malcolm as well.

I trust you will return from time to time and explore the good ministry here on MB, and please feel free to share your background with us.

In the Lord, Gordon.

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Kirk Fraser

Kirk Fraser
kirk_fraserATnetzero.net
Clatskanie, Oregon, USA
Wed, 8 Sep 2004

As an excommunicated member of the Witness Lee (WL) affiliated "church in Portland" I had heard about the Brethren as one source of inspiration for the group and have been in contact with a few by email.

• I was shocked upon reading the Decline and Departure pages but realize Brethren history has much in parallel with WL's local churches since they have human nature in common.

• For instance the universal leadership of Jim Symington (JHS) and WL as overseers of their affiliates seems parallel indeed as do the behaviors derived from the existence of universal church leaders and their entourages.

• Modern mega-churches with tens of thousands of members where a tiny donation from each buys weekly international TV coverage I believe have parallel problems except the degree of control may be smaller because anonymity is greater where the Nicolaitan power seekers in the group have their eyes set on their master and individuals that would be more closely controlled in small groups blend into the large crowd.

The Bible says, not by might nor by strength but by my Spirit says the Lord. Also, Jesus taught to call no man your elder, leader, or boss because Christ is your master.

• This and many other proofs show God should be our sole leader in church as He is in spiritual reality, which would expand His kingdom on earth

• To accomplish this we must make prayer meetings our main focus since we contact God through prayer, not sermons, songs, or socializing.

• People should focus on Jesus' words to learn to think like Him which in 3 years people would grow as the disciples grew to apostles.

• Believers must practice all seven stages of overcoming in prayer, especially the iron-willed prayer to rule nations in Rev. 2:26-27 as entrance into the man-child which is raptured in Rev. 12: 5. [see below]

I propose an addition to the My Brethren website to cover how to do church rightly. The concepts on those pages should be universally applicable to any believer from any background.

• Although most churches can argue scripturally for their chosen name such as "Brethren" or "church in [city]" I propose a new name, "church" with nothing added, substituted, or taken away.

• That enables referring to all the brethren of Christ in a city by adding the geographic term but focus remains on the unity of His body the church instead of a specific home or local assembly.

• Then all entries in a phone book would be listed as "church" with perhaps address and phone but nothing else. One could refer to the church in Lutheranism meaning Christ's true believers stuck in that system, etc.

Love Jesus, Kirk W. Fraser

To: Kirk Fraser
Fri, 10 September 2004

Dear Kirk,
Thanks for visiting 'My Brethren' and sharing your concerns, some of which I can agree with.

There is no doubt of the importance of prayer and that it, in the power of the Spirit and in the name of the Lord Jesus, is the divine means of approaching God.

• However this must be balanced by the essential priority of hearing what God would say to us. This is by the Spirit and through the Scriptures and through ministry in the power of the Spirit.

• And while "Jesus' words" are of great importance we should not overlook the fact that He said
  • "But when he is come, the Spirit of truth, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but whatsoever he shall hear he shall speak; and he will announce to you what is coming. He shall glorify me, for he shall receive of mine and shall announce it to you", John 16: 13-14.

• And the Lord's repeated injunction must never be overlooked:
  • "He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies", Revelation 2 and 3.

But, despite the importance of prayer and spiriitual ministry, I have no doubt that "our main focus" should be the service (worship) of God.

You say "Believers must practice all seven stages of overcoming in prayer, especially the iron-willed prayer to rule nations in Rev. 2:26-27 as entrance into the man-child which is raptured in Rev. 12: 5".

• But the Lord does not say that the overcoming is to be by prayer although it would enter into it.

• There is no "iron-willed prayer to rule nations", it is a promise to the overcomer and there is no suggestion that it is an "entrance into the man-child" of Revelation 12: 5, although I have no doubt that the catching up of the "male son" while referring primarily to Christ also alludes to the rapture of the assembly.

Intelligent so-called 'brethren' have never used that term without including all who belong to Christ in their thoughts.

• "Church" however used is a poor subsitute for 'assembly', and the assumption of either dsignation is out of accord with the public ruin.

I trust you will review the above and closely compare with the Scriptures.

In the Lord, Gordon.

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Joe Fry or Joseph E. Fry

To: Joe Fry
Fisherman765ATyahoo.com
Lafayette, Indiana 47903, USA
Fri, 25 Oct, 2002

Dear Joe,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. After so many years, I can't recall whether we have actually met but we surely recognize your name. My wife Betty (Reid) remembers your mother well.

• Of course others of the family were well known to us, Sam, and John with whom I corresponded in the early 1970's. You will note others in the Guest Book/Mailbox, Edith Bowie, Ted Fry and Rich Reed.

We certainly share your appreciation of the ministry that is our heritage and seek the Lord's help to make it more widely known.

• These are indeed difficult times, but I sense that you refer to a particular present personal "difficult time" and are seeking direction as to it from the Lord.

• If you are free to share your exercises – privately if you wish – we would certainly be happy to hear from you and pray with you as to it.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon and Betty.

From: Joe Fry
Fri, 25 Oct 2002

Dear Gordon,
No, I do not remember meeting you personally. Sam and I had the same background for many years. John took a different path with the 'open' brethren.

• I remained with those that separated from the JTJr's after Aberdeen. As with many, those times were devastating to myself and family. I lost everything.

• But remarkably what was most precious to me, came through a lengthy storm. I had to learn in a sorrowful way that indeed "in me no good dwells" – that is in the flesh.

I live in Lafayette, Indiana. Have met many who are standing alone but concerned and looking.

• I have been seeking to find those that have really judged the Aberdeen evil and have not given up the Spirit's speaking to JND, FER, and JTSr.

• As yet I do not feel that God has given up the faithful who gather in His Name.

• I know of some to whom the Spirit seems to be addressing; urging true judgement of failure but holding, to Divine principles though in much weakness.

• Gordon, where are you in these matters?

I have gotten much from the 'My Brethren' web site.

• I rejoice to read of those who who speak of the three ministries. Surely He would have us to be really recovered to them so as to be able to worship our God "in spirit and in truth".

Individually, I have been encouraged with what the Lord has strengthened me to do in a small way. However there is no 'place here' to direct them to where Christ is really honored as Head of the Assembly.

• I am thankfull that there are those who know him as Lord – Wonderful!!

• I know this is to be expected publicly but where can it be trully said "There am I in the midst" today?

I look forward to your further correspondence, dear brother; and may He continue to bless you and indeed give added blessing!

With love in our Lord Jesus, Joe Fry.

From: Joe Fry
Sat, 26 Oct 2002

Dear Joe,
Thanks very much for your full and candid reply which is appreciated. I can see that you have been, and are still going through some severe exercises. We feel deeply with you.

You ask where I stand. There are rather full details posted on 'My Brethren. See the following:

• Home Page: A Personal Message
• History: Decline and Departure – my 1971 letter
• Studies: Our Responsibilty in the Present Sate of the Church

I would be interested to talk with you personally and further share our exercises – beyond what we can easily do by email – and could phone you at a mutually convenient time.

I trust that I am correct in assuming that "a measure of discreetness in how you may speak of these matters" does not mean that I should not post your reply in the MB Mailbox. Your letter would be a good addition and perhaps stimulate exercise in those who may read it.

Looking forward to further contact with you Joe, and with love in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

To: Joe Fry
Mon, 27 Oct 2002

Dear Joe,
I enjoyed our phone chat yesterday very much, and look forward to another, perhaps in a few weeks when we have had time to reflect. Lord's Day at 1:00 or 2:00 pm would be a good time for me.

With love in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Joe Fry
Tue, 28 Oct 2002

Dear Gordon Rainbow:
Here is another attempt to send the poem again as you requested. I'm sure you will let me know if it gets through.

A Grieving Heart

Lord Jesus hear my prayer today.
My lips with sorrow speak!
Oh, look upon my heart so pained;
My countenance with tears is stained.

What care, oh Lord, was thine when here,
For those whom thou didst love.
Those who the Father gave to thee
Were guarded very carefully.

Not one was lost, but, Lord alas
It is not so with me.
For those thou gavest me in love
I could not hold for thee above.

I feel it Lord; my heart is grieved.
Tis hard to find my way.
Yet how I want to stay by thee
And prove what thou wouldst be to me.

Send out the light. And send thy truth;
And let them light my path.
And grant the grace to walk today
As kept by thee along "the way".

If I must walk a separate path
From those I love so dear;
I only ask that they may see
Recovering grace found but in thee.

And if I'm tempted by them now
To walk the paths they chose,
Help me to gird my loins, I pray,
And Spirit helped, resist each day.

I want, so much, Thy voice to hear
Each day thru opened ear.
And forward move in faith to day
As one instructed in "the Way".

And Savior grant this last request,
That I may love thee more –
In true response to love that took
Thee into death, by God forsook.

My heart and body, these, I give
In service here for thee.
I give my all and own Thy Name
While freed from every natural claim.

For Thou dost dwell amongst Thine own;
And I would dwell there too.
Affording pleasure to thy heart,
With those, who, with thee, have their part.

Joe Fry.

From: Joe Fry
Sat, 28 Jun 2003

Dear Gordon Rainbow
Not having heard from you for a long time, I should like to inquire just how you are doing. How are you feeling the Lord's support today?

I am reasonably well. Searching for employment. Doing some studying almost daily. The grace of God is felt awesomely.

Are you still involved with updating the web site. I do not see anything being done along those lines by anyone.

A brother, Joe Fry.

To: Joe Fry
Mon, 30 Jun 2003

Dear Joe,
Good to hear from you again.Yes, we are proving the Lord's support as the pains and weaknesses of age come upon us.

MB is being updated regularly as you will see in "Site News". But apparently your poem was ovelooked in the pressure at the time. I have now added it in the Mailbox along with our correspondence. Thanks for drawing it to my attention.

Keep in touch, In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Ted Fry

From: Ted Fry
titus21314AThotmail.com
Summerville, SC 28485, USA
Thu, Dec 21, 2000

This message appeared on another web site: I was born and raised in Philadelphia area and was transferred by my job to the Charleston, SC, area in 1982. I grew up among the Taylor branch of the so-called exclusive brethren, but in a family whose father was faithful amidst unfaithfulness. What joy it was to find relief from legal bondage through the grace of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ in 1971! But I thank God that He preserved me from "throwing out the baby with the bathwater", and my joy is full in knowing that my life is hidden with Christ in God and not dependent on my feel-ings or my earthly relation with any other mere mortal, even other true saints. But it is a great burden and sorrow to my heart to see other people who have had the privilege of being close to where they could have learned the truth but were led astray by false shep-herds (Ezek. 34). Oh, it is fearful to think of what an accounting those false shepherds will give in the coming day, but the good, great and chief shepherd is still awaiting and yearning the return in repentance and confession of all who are on paths contrary to his Word. I had the privilage of marrying a dear sister from Denver, CO, who had been delivered from Roman Catholicism before she was deeply entrapped in its idolatrous bondage and doctrinal errors. I have been meeting for 17 yrs with a group of saints in Summerville on assembly principles and the Lord is blessing us with the knowledge of Himself. What more is there in life that is worth having? For the Lord Jesus is the true God and eternal life.

To: Ted Fry
Fri, 22 Dec 2000

Dear Ted,
Glad to see your positive email. Betty and I remember the Fry families in Philadelphia and wonder which branch you are from.

• We're glad that you can commend your father's path.

Perhaps you will visit us at 'My Brethren'. We'll be happy to hear from you.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Ted Fry
Fri, 29 Dec 2000

Dear Gordon and Betty,
I'm from the John Fry family (Sam is my uncle; my father is with the Lord), and I remember you folks with pleasure.

• How gracious and faithful the Lord has been to magnify His Name and word in our lives and restore the years the locusts have eaten in many lives.

Thanks for the invitation to "My Brethren".

Affectionately in Him, Ted.

Dear Ted,
Thanks for your kind reply and information. We're glad you remember us but our memories are failing with age and aren't as good as yours.

• I was speaking with Andrew and Lois Robertson, formerly of New York, last night and they remember you well.

I don't think I ever had the pleasure of meeting your father personally, but I do recall exchanging several letters – and perhaps phone calls – with John in 1971 when the Edinburgh trouble was brewing.

• Your comment as to him recalls Paul's words, "it is sought in stewards that a man be found faithful", 1 Cor. 4: 2.

I enjoyed the fine scripture in your email address. May the Lord preserve you and your wife.

We'll be looking for your name in MB's Guest Book. [See Thursday, January 04, 2001.]

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

Your guest entries and messages will show that the continuation of My Brethren is important to you.

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