Mailbox: DEF - 1: Nov. 1998 – present

Jim Dalrymple

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Chris Dann

To: Chris Dann
chrisandjanineATinternet.co.nz
Woodville, New Zealand
Sun, 04 Feb 2001

Dear Chris,
In reply to your questions:

Is this web-site primarily about 'exclusive' brethren cf 'open' or Plymouth brethren? Where are the details on your site about what happened in 1959 etc?

The major part of the reply is posted on Guests: My Answer 2: Happenings of 1959.

Thanks for visiting 'My Brethren' and for your questions.

• Some details of your own exercises and experience would be most welcome.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Chris Dann
Wed, 7 Feb 2001

I was brought up in an 'open brethren' denomination, and have over time found it to be of advantage in general life and well-being to no longer associate as such.

You said: "MB is a growing site – opened in November 1998 – and, as yet, does not cover all historical developments. There are, however, a number of documents available dealing with the events of 1959 and following which will be posted as time permits. When these are posted you will find a notice on Guests: Site News: New Activity".

• Fair enough – I just don't want to feel 'excluded' from some important info. From the importance implied it would seem reasonable to have info on tap.

1. Also: From looking into the history of Unions and Unionism it is apparent that in the mid-1800 the terms 'open' and 'closed' were used for voluntary/compulsory membership.
   • Is there any substance to my considering that the brethren took these terms from the union distinction already in vogue at the time?

2. Do you have strong views on the use of the 'Darby' version of the bible?
   • Do you have info available on it?

To: Chris Dann
Fri, 09 Feb 2001

Dear Chris,
Before I address your questions may I ask,

• How have you "found it to be of advantage in general life and well-being to no longer associate as such" i.e., as "open"?

• Are you connected with any group of believers at present?

• Very few from an "open" background would know anything of 1959. What aroused your interest in 1959? Was it something on MB or from some other source?

Now as to your questions:

1. Regarding "the terms 'open' and 'closed' ". I have never heard or read – in the various historical accounts – any suggestion that those terms might have been derived from trade unionism.

   "Open" is commonly used, but "closed", or occasionally "close", is far less used to my knowledge. The common term is "exclusive".

   Usage of the terms seems to vary. I have even heard both "closed" and "exclusive" applied to certain "open" meetings – Gospel Halls – considered rigid or "tight" as to reception.

   My comments are based on knowledge of the situation in North America, and to a lesser degree as to "exclusives" only in Britain and Australasia.

2. Regarding JND's translation:

   The balance of the reply is posted on Guests: My Answer 2: The Darby Bible.

I trust this will be of some value to you, and look forward to further contact.

Yours in our Lord, Gordon.

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Alistair Deayton

To: Alistair Deayton
AlistairATdeayton.freeserve.co.uk
Paisley, Scotland
Sun, 14 Feb 1999

Dear Alistair,
What a pleasant surprise to receive your e-mail. I had seen your "story" on Dick's page some time ago, and have just now gone over it again.

• You no doubt feel as I do that we have a wonderful God. "Who is a pardoning God like Thee? Or who has grace so rich and free?"

I had wondered if you were related to CD. I'll be happy to send you the balance of his poems and I'm sure you will enjoy and profit from them, as I have. Be patient though, I will probably send them by surface mail.

• Any further biographical details on him would be appreciated – place of birth, parents, family, etc. I believe he spoke of a nephew, Albert, in Australia.

My experience has been different from yours. I came in from "outside" – as we used to speak – in 1950, the year you were born.

• I knew many other believers and never had any doubt as to the wide extent of the body of Christ or the sovereign actions of God.

• I rejoice in His work wherever, however and through whoever He may act.

I have sought to serve Him in the gospel whenever there was opportunity. As a younger man, for many of the years from 1960–70, I felt the Lord's support in preaching almost every noon hour on a downtown street corner – mostly alone.

• Sadly, the indifference of most passers by was equalled by the criticism of some of my brethren, who only desisted when J.T.Sr.'s commendation of Philip's lone preaching was pointed out to them. But His Name was proclaimed.

While I later became disillusioned and – temporarily only, thank God – forsook principles which had moved me as a young believer, His matchless grace has drawn me back to my beginnings.

• As you have probably noticed, my prime commitment – not forgetting the gospel – is to the Lord's Supper and the service of God – to be among the worshippers the Father seeks and to serve God now as we will surely do eternally –
  • "To Him be glory in the assembly in Christ Jesus unto all generations of the ages of ages. Amen", Ephesians 3:21.

Awaiting your address.

Yours in the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Alistair Deayton
Sun, 14 Feb 1999

My address is …

My great-uncle Charles had three brothers;

• Joe, my grandfather, also a great preacher, in Poole;

• John, who also went to Canada and was in and out of fellowship;

• Ernest in Poole;

• and sisters Maggie, who never married and Jessie.

Joe had three sons, Albert, who emigrated to Sydney in the thirties

• and was treated abominably by the Jims, he was seriously ill, lived for years in a hospital/nursing home where his daughter also worked and would have nothing to do with him;

• Fred in Ealing, still in the Jims;

• My father, David, still alive and out since 1972;

• and four daughters, none of whom married and two of whom are still alive.

I remember hearing that Charles went out originally to Canada with Louis (or was it Lewis) Samuels ….

• He had a son John, crippled by polio, and in Melbourne. I don't know if he is still alive.

I think society has changed, people these days are much less likely to listen to an open air, and most of the new Christians I have met in recent years have been converted through Christian friends …

That is one thing I miss [the Lord's Supper and the service of God].

• We have tried it occasionally where we are, but it seems to be taken over by those who like the sound of their own voices and those who are pursuing their own agenda,

• while many do not like or are not used to speaking in public and stay silent.

On your site you mention an Andrew Robertson. There was a man of that name from Toronto [actually, New York] who took fellowship meetings in Glasgow in the early to mid-sixties … Is this the same person?

Love in our Lord Jesus, Alistair.

To: Alistair Deayton
Thu, 18 Feb 1999

Dear Alistair,
The 3 booklets of Charles Deayton's poems were sent to you by surface mail on Tuesday, Feb. 16, 1999.

• Please let me know when they arrive. I hope you find them of real interest.

• CD was a man of rare devotion and spirituality.

Re your inquiry: Andrew Robertson is undoubtedly the same person, but the report you have of him is not as I understand the facts.

• Andrew was transferred from Glasgow by his employer to London. Later, he moved to New York (not Toronto) where he lived for many years.

• He served widely in the ministry of the word, but withdrew in March 1970, before Aberdeen, because of the situation in New York.

• Andrew says he remembers your father and was glad to hear of you.

I hope you will visit MB again. I hope to be able to add other items of interest and spiritual value, if the Lord will.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Alistair Deayton
Thu, 25 Mar 1999

Uncle Charles' poetry books arrived today. Many thanks.

I look forward to spending time perusing them. They seem to come from another era when poetry rhymed and scanned, unlike so much of what I sing in church today.

How much do I owe you for these?

Alistair Deayton.

To: Alistair Deayton
Sat, 27 Mar 1999

Dear Alistair,
Thanks for letting me know the books arrived safely. The poems surely are "from another era" and you will likely note from another place for the poet was well acquainted with the heavenly land.

• You will gain a fairly full understanding of the character and devotion of your uncle. He was one of the most godly men I have been privileged to know.

Please accept the books as a gift. I am sure CD would agree – and be thankful for the appreciation of one of his nephews.

• If you want to do anything, please refer your friends to MB.

Yours in our Lord, Gordon.

From: Alistair Deayton
Sun, 28 Mar 1999

Thank you very much for these. I have yet to show them to my father, but I am sure he will also wish me to convey his thanks to you, Gordon.

Alistair Deayton.

From: Alistair Deayton
Subject: Re: M. Chapman Mon, 8 Nov 1999
Sat, 13 Nov 1999

My father still keeps in touch with Ron [Gregory], who was his cousin.

I visited Ealing in the sixties, when it seemed mainly to be populated by extreme Jimites, (the Abernethie Brothers and others), and also Ilford, where Ron was out, but knew his brother Bert, now dead, and sister Winnie, married to Alan Poole, and knew their two sons quite well.

Fred is still in the Jims, and alive as far as we know. My father is David.

Alistair Deayton.

From: Alistair Deayton
Subject: Correction
Mon, 15 Nov 1999

Ron Gregory's mother's maiden name was Clewley, not Deayton, she was a sister of my grandmother, not my grandfather Joseph Deayton.

Have you been contacted by Charles Deayton's Grand-daughter-in-law in Melbourne.

• She contacted me a few months back, but John doesn't want any contact with his family or reminder of the brethren. Sad, in a way, although understandable

Alistair Deayton.

To: Alistair Deayton
Fri, 19 Nov 1999

Dear Alistair,
Thanks very much for your email of Nov. 13 and 15. I have forwarded them to Marcus Chapman and believe they will answer his inquiry as to Ron Gregory.

No, I have not heard from CD's granddaughter-in-law in Melbourne, but would be delighted if she would visit MB and leave me a message. She may find some information of interest.

• I would appreciate it if you would encourage her to contact me – or let me have her name and e-mail address.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Alistair Deayton
Sun, 5 Dec 1999

I have come across the following, and wonder if you, as a custodian of a brethren archive, would be interested.

1. Supplementary Tunes for Hymns and Spiritual Songs 1951 (2 copies). 27 pp booklet, with tunes and hymns, for new metres introduced in that hymn book, prior to the green tune book (without words).

2. Songs of Hope – A few melodies composed by Charles Leflaive. 36pp Hardback, Third edition, pub Geo Morrish Undated (probably 1930s).

3. Various photocopied (mimeographed) hymn tunes, etc 1960s and early 1970s.
   • Summit and Wondrous Cross by Gordon Millar
   • Somerset East Tune South Africa
   • The Precious Love of Jesus
   • For Me: DJB
   • Christ is the Saviour of Sinners
   • Saviour of Sinners
   • Little Thought Samaria's Daughter: E Carren
   • The Great Physician and two anonymous ones
   • Sychar: E Burgess 1973
   • Grace and Glory: Music by Gordon Millar, words by Joe van Zanten, both from Glasgow
   • The Hell Bound Train: Words only to a country gospel song popular when J.H.S., a mid-western farmer, was king.

Most were composed by brethren musicians, but some may have been tunes commonly sung but hard to find. Two were for "Little Thought Samaria's Daughter" which was an old Sankey's (or similar) one added to the post-Aberdeen revision of the hymn book, supposedly because JTJr liked the song.

If you are interested I can post them to you.

Alistair Deayton

To: Alistair Deayton
Mon, 06 Dec 1999

Dear Alistair,
It is very thoughtful of you to offer the hymn booklets you mentioned for my keeping.

• Yes. I would be glad to have them. They are certainly of historical interest, and some may be of use in my ongoing project of putting suitable tunes into computer music.

I haven't yet heard from CD's granddaughter-in-law in Melbourne. If you don't mind suggesting it to her, or giving me her e-mail address, it would be appreciated. She might have access to further information.

Thanks again, Alistair.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

To: Alistair Deayton
Mon, 27 Dec 1999

Dear Alistair,
The hymn booklets etc. arrived safely and look very interesting indeed.

• The book of Mr. Leflaive will be of particular value.

• Thank you very much for your thoughtfulness and willingness to share.

• I will see that they are preserved and will use whatever I can in my hymn tunes project.

And, of course, I will be glad to hear from you at anytime.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Alistair Deayton
Wed, 3 Aug 2005

In the late sixties, there was only one meeting in Holland at The Hague

In Germany at the same time there were:
Dusseldorf (merged with Mettmann)
Cologne (left Jims at Aberdeen en bloc)
Gummersbach
Siegen
Bendorf
Meisenheim (closed mid-seventies when there the only remaining brother went into a mental hospital)
Endbach (2 meetings, I think)
Hamburg
Several in East Germany, all of which left at Aberdeen, one in the north at Marlow, and several in the south

Switzerland - Zürich

Italy - Novi Ligure, Milan, (which I think closed late sixties) and Castelammare

To: Alistair Deayton
Fri, 5 Aug 2005

Dear Alistair,
Good to hear from you again and thanks for the info which we will note on the appropriate list: List of Meetings 4.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Dorothy (Tickle) Delano

To: Dorothy (Tickle) Delano
ddelanoATtampabay.rr.com
Inverness, FL USA
Thu, 22 Apr 1999

Dear Dorothy,
So glad you followed your brother Charles to "My Brethren". I too remember JTSr, SMcC, the McKillop's and others.

Yours in the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Dottie (Tickle) Delano
Thu, 21 Nov 2002

Just wanted to say "Good Work on Job Well Done". I come to your site frequently to keep updated.

Prior to the 'split' and my leaving, I went through a year of horror because of the beliefs they had and I was alone so went along with them until I could no longer be a hypocrite.

• I must give my parents – Garland and Doris Tickle – credit for what I still believe. The faith has never left me.

I noticed I needed to update my email address [changed above] and, doing so, wanted to say "Hi" again.

To: Dottie Delano
Thu, 21 Nov 2002

Dear Dottie,
Thanks for your new email address and your kind words which encourage us to go on! Glad to know of your frequent visits too, and to hear from you again.

I certainly sympathise with you in all you went through before leaving. We had similar experiences, but like you our trust in the Lord Jesus remains firm by His grace.

• But we feel deeply for the many who have been damaged, many young ones apparently without faith in Christ, and continue to pray fro them all.

With love in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Vanessa d'Esterre

To: Vanessa d'Esterre
Copy to: Max S. Weremchuk
Jenny.dEsterreATbtinternet.com
—— Gloucestershire, England
Mon, 15 Sep 2003

Dear Vanessa,
Welcome to 'My Brethren' and thanks for your remarks on the d'Esterre family connection with JND.

• I'm copying your email to Max and I hope he will share his coments with MB.

I trust you will return and find other items of interest as well.

• This site and the history and ministry of the brethren it features are greatly indebted to Mr. Darby, and you will find much that has resulted from his life and ministry.

• Thanks again and good success in your research of your family history.

• If you discover anything that relates to JND I hope you will be free to share it with us.

In the Lord, Gordon Rainbow.

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Ashley Dickinson

From: Ashley Lynn Dickinson
RedE4HimAThotmail.com
Pelican Rapids, MN 56572, USA
Thu, 16 Sep 1999

[Ashley is a daughter of Karl and Peggy Paluga.]

Dear Mr. Gordon Rainbow,
I am writing this letter to you to thank you for several different things. You have been a blessing to my family and I am very grateful for you.

First I would like to thank you for the encouragement you have given me in your letters to my parents.

• Your encouragement has made it a bit easier to continue walking in spirit and in truth.

• It is nice to know that there are still people who are willing to help me avoid the temptations of youth rather than waiting for me to stumble, then kicking me while I'm down.

• Your encouragement has shown me that people do care about my spiritual well being and not just their reputations or their desires to punish.

• I have learned what a rare and godly quality it is to be able to look past those things and do what is right in the sight of the Lord.

• For all these reasons and many more I praise God for the encouragement I have been provided with through you.

I would also like to thank you for the time and energy you have spent e-mailing, talking with, and praying for my family.

• I know that time and energy are very valuable things to everyone but especially to someone of your age.

• Thank you for using your time and energy to give us the godly counsel we needed so much. I believe that both were used wisely and I pray that God will bless you for that.

Next I want to thank you specifically for the godly counsel you have used your time so wisely to give us.

• I believe that without your experience and Bible based words my family would have made some very foolish decisions regarding our situation.

• Your wisdom in situations such as the one we are in has not only been a Godsend but it has also saved us from making spiritually detrimental decisions.

• Your Biblical advice has inspired me to get to know the Bible as you do so that when the time comes perhaps I can give to others the incredibly valuable godly counsel you have given me and my family.

Finally, and most of all, I would like to thank you for staying true to what is scriptural even when the prices to pay for doing so were high.

• I read on your web page of the experiences you have had in your walk with the Lord and I can see that often times it was a painfully lonely narrow road.

• I am experiencing some of the same things now and I am coming to realize that because something's "God's way" doesn't mean it's the easy way.

• I know in my heart that in the end it will, in fact, have been easier to do God's will than to struggle to have mine be done but from my present point of view it seems that it would be easier just to do whatever the world says even though it is contradictory to God's word.

• I suppose that's a situation kind of like when the Hebrews were delivered out of Egypt then just a few days later were begging to return.

• I guess I should not forget how bad "Egypt" was and why I was delivered from there, huh?

• Well anyway thank you for not just doing the comfortable thing in a tough situation but doing what you knew to be the will of God. Your actions have been a wonderful testimony to me.

Thank you for all these things, and thank you for all the things I've forgotten to mention.

I hope to hear back from you. You can e-mail me at my mom's address. Until then…

Walking with Him, Ashley Lynn Dickinson.

To: Ashley Lynn Dickinson,
Fri, 17 Sep 1999

My dear Ashley,
Thank you for writing so fully and feelingly as to the way the Lord has helped you and your family through your recent troubling situation. Your letter means a great deal to me.

I am thankful to the Lord for bringing us all into contact and that He gave me the privilege of being of some help to you and your family.

• It humbles but uplifts "knowing that your toil is not in vain in the Lord", 1 Cor. 15:58.

But whatever the Lord gave me to do it would have been of no avail apart from His working in all your hearts the willingness and readiness to please the Him, whatever the cost. How thankful we are to Him for that.

• Now may you all go on steadily with Him, and find guidance for your individual and collective pathways.

My life is well nigh over, but you are young and have a lifetime, however long or short in His will, to live here for His pleasure and in the service of His people.

• Betty and I are praying that you may devote yourself to Him for this.

Although they are long past, I still have vivid memories of my own teenage years.

• At 15 I thought I was an atheist, but at 16 God intervened unexpectedly and powerfully in my life bringing me into happy submission to Him and the Lord Jesus.

• But then the struggles began, for before we trust in Christ the flesh has its own way completely.

• When we receive the Spirit we begin a new life for God, but the flesh is still present and the Tempter strives to defeat us.

• As all believers do, I had to learn to "walk in the Spirit, and ye shall no way fulfil flesh's lust. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh", Galatians 5: 16-17 –
  • and that "greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world", 1 John 4: 4.

May the Lord help and bless you richly in your walk with Him.

Thank you again for writing, Ashley. I will always be glad to hear from you and to know of your experiences in your Christian life.

With love to all, yours in the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

P.S. I appreciate your respectfulness very much, but we are just young people in old bodies!

• Our dear little friends, Jeremy (8) and Rachel (5) have been brought up to call us Gordon and Betty. They do so with love and respect.

• We would be pleased if you also, as one of God's children, would do the same.

From: Ashley Lynn Dickinson
Mon, 20 Sep 1999

Dear Gordon and Betty,
Thank you for your response to my letter. I enjoyed reading it. I apologize for not being able to respond sooner. I was visiting my cousin over the weekend and didn't have internet access.

I hope to be able to share my testimony with you in the future. I read yours on your web page and thought perhaps you would like to know mine. I will plan to share it with you when I've got more time.

Thanks again, Ashley Lynn.

To: Ashley Lynn Dickinson
Tue, 21 Sep 1999

My dear Ashley,
Thank you for your reply. I look forward to your testimony whenever you are able to send it.

Of course, news of you and your family – and your progress in your exercises – will always be most welcome.

Our love to all in the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Ashley Dickinson
Tue, 28 Mar 2000

Dear Gordon,
Hello! I have attached the "Affection for Christ" document to this email …

I am ready and willing to type more for you as soon as you let me know what it is you would like me to do next.

• I thouroughly enjoyed typing this one and found it to be a blessing to read.

• I enjoy the satisfaction of helping you make these articles available to people around the world.

Thanx, Ashley.

To: Ashley Dickinson
Tue, 28 Mar 2000

Dear Ashley,
C.A.C.'s "Affection for Christ" looks just fine. I see you have learned a few more html tricks. Good for you! I'll have a few more for you.

• Thanks for the help – it really is a big help, especially with so much of the formatting done – and for being ready to do more. I'll get back to you as soon as I can on that.

It's especially encouraging that you were blessed by the article itself. We all need to develop in our affections for Christ.

• As I was saying to Karl and Peggy, the way we meet is important, as is separation, but they are only means – definitely right means – to an end.

• The objective is to be free for Christ and thus to be able to be with Him, and in His praise to the Father.

You'll see by the Guest Book that the site is appreciated and you surely can take satisfaction in your part in it.

We are all looking forward to meeting you and Rachel, and Karl and Peggy, at the end of May.

• Our little Rachel will be 6 on May 25. Jeremy will be 9 this Friday, March 31, and we have been invited for dinner. The children have been enjoying the taffy.

With love to you and all in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Susan Diener

From: Susan Diener
johnsusan59ATdotplanet.com
Wed, 21 Jul 1999

It was great to discover your interesting website! I have been browsing this site on & off for a few weeks.

• Congratulations on a very well done site.

I was a Ewing from Westfield, NJ. My parents are Phillips and Eunice Ewing.

• My mother passed away in 1997. So my father and older sister are still in the "Exclusive Brethren".

My husband John and myself and our 3 children left in 1975.

• It was very hard for our 2 oldest, as they were in their teens. But all 3 have married Christians.

• And in the mid 80's they all gradurated from Emmaus Bible Collage. And now we have 6 grandchildren.

• We attend a good assembly.

Thanks Gordon for your web site.

Love in the Lord, Susan Diener.

To: Susan Diener
Thu, 22 Jul 1999

Dear Susan,
Thanks for visiting MB and for your kind remarks. I try to add something each month, so come again and check "Site News" for new items.

I didn't know your parents personally but my wife, Betty (Reid of Toronto), remembers them very well,

• and also recalls looking after you and your sister at Hamilton 3-day meetings, many years ago.

We know the Diener family too but can't recall who John's parents were.

• We were often in Chicago visiting Phil and Mary Schaumburg (Betty's sister).

• Through the help of John McKillop, we made contact with our niece Phyllis just this week, after nearly 30 years.

It's good to hear that your children have been retained for the Lord, despite the sorrowful experiences through which we all went.

• God has honoured your prayers and care for them. And now you have another generation to guide!

• There are many who had no one to care for them, and so drifted into the world or other religious systems, some filled with bitterness. We feel deeply for them all.

May the Lord bless and keep you. Give our love to John and your family.

Yours in the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Susan Diener
Thu, 22 Jul 1999

Gordon,
Thanks for your e-mail. I faintly remember you and your wife. But I remember the name Rainbow very well.

John's parents were Caleb and Mildred Diener. They had 2 sons, Walter & John.

• Walter married Ruth Druckenmiller. They are still in.

• John's father passed away about 4 years ago, Mother was a Stroyer [of Rochester, NY], and she passed away June of 1978. And John's father came out winter of 1980.

I faintly remember going to Hamilton, I think that was year I was 6 years old. My sister and I had fun telling people that we were the same age (when they asked). So everyone thought we were twins. For 2 months every year we are the same age.

Glad to hear that you found Phyllis. We liked Phil & Mary very much.

Something else of interest before I close. I was at JTSr's funeral. I think that was in 1953. [He died on March 29 and was buried on April 1, 1953. GAR]

Your web site is in my favorites lists.

Take care, love to your wife. Susan Diener.

From: Susan Diener
Tue, 23 Nov 1999

Gordon,
I do so enjoy your web page.

Susan Diener.

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Edward Doyle

To: Edward Doyle
eandjdoyleATeircom.net
Wexford, Ireland
Mon, 275 Aug 2001

Dear Ed,
Thanks for visiting 'My Brethren' and for your encouraging comments. I hope you will come again. New ministry is usually added every month.

Unfortunately I don't have anything on the 'Feasts of Jehovah' on MB yet but suggest Leviticus 23 in:

• 'CHM's Notes on the Pentateuch' which can be viewed online. The URL is on MB's Guests: Site News: Links,

• C. A. Coates' 'Outline of Leviticus. obtainable from Guests: Site News: Bibles and Books: Kingston Bible Trust. If you order tell my friend Malcolm Withell, the manager, you heard of it on MB.

I hope you will find these useful.

By the way we have an area here in Toronto not far from our home called "Wexford". It was a small town many years ago before expansion of the city. Yours in our Lord, Gordon.

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Michael C. Dressler

To: Michael C. Dressler
mcdresslerATaol.com
Havre de Grace, MD, 21078, USA
Sat, 3 Aug, 2002

Dear Michael,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. I'm glad to learn that you are interested in the ministry of J. B. Stoney.

• Dover Bible Fund have a cd of the ministry and letters of JBS for $53.00.

• They also have a cd of the ministry and letters of F. E.Raven for $53.00, and
  • a combined cd of JBS/FER for the same price.

• A cd of the complete writings of JND – not as good quality and from a different source – is $98.50.

See MB's Site News: Bibles and Books for Dover's web site on which you will find a complete catalogue.

As I'm having trouble emailing Dover, I'm sending this to Richard Reed who is my contact at DBF for information.

I'll look forward to hearing how you make out.

In the Lord, Gordon.

From: Michael Dressler
Sat, 3 Aug 2002

Thanks Gordon. In Christ, Michael.

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Bernard C. Duckworth

To: Bernard C. Duckworth
bduckw9936ATaol.com
Musella, GA, 31066, USA
Mon, 25 Feb 2002

Dear Bernard,
Welcome to 'My Brethren' and thanks for you inquiry as to ministry on CD.

Yes, Kingston Bible Trust has recently issued a combined CD of Ministry by J. B. Stoney and F. E. Raven. See "Guest: Site News: KBT Report: Ministry on CD-ROM" for information. It may be ordered by email through Malcolm Withell.

• No release dates yet on other ministry. Work on CAC and others is proceeding.

There is a link there to 'Bible and Books' where other CD's are available. However they are not at all of the quality of the KBT CD, and I would not recommend ordering them unless you just can't wait. The KBT CD is in HTML readable by your browser and is excellent quality.

You will find a good selection of ministry by various brethren on MB. Other information can be found in the Biography and History groups. And I will try to answer any questions you may have.

Details of your background would be of interest.

In the Lord, Gordon.

From: Bernard C. Duckworth
Fri, 25 Oct 2002

Do you have any of the above authors works on CD? I would be interested in some of them, especially C. A. Coates.

Thanks, Bernard Duckworth.

To: Bernard C. Duckworth
Fri, 25 Oct 2002

Dear Bernard,
Thanks for visiting MB again and for your inquiry re ministry on CDROM.

Apparently you didn't receive my reply of Mon, 25 Feb 2002 to your earlier inquiry. A copy of that reply is appended. [See above.]

• The information in it has not changed substantially, except that KBT's JBS/FER CDROM is available from 'Dover Bible Fund', Dover, PA. See 'Site News: Bibles and Books' for their URL.

I hope this will be of help to you, and would be glad to hear from you again.

In the Lord, Gordon.

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Paul L. Druckenmiller

To: Paul L. Druckenmiller
pldruckATyahoo.com
Cranford, NJ 07016-2673, USA
Fri, 24 Mar 2000

Dear Paul,
It's always good to hear from old friends – thanks to Tom Hawkins for pointing you to MB.

• Betty and I remember well a lovely visit in your parents' home, many years ago.

• I would be glad – and no doubt others too – to hear any of your recent experiences or exercises, if you care to share them. You will find details as to us on the Personal page.

• Hope you find some items of interest as you explore MB. Your comments are appreciated.

With love in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Paul Druckenmiller
Mon, 27 Mar 2000

Dear Gordon,
Thanks for Guest Book response. Janet and I share happy memories of the Ontario and Toronto brethren.

I don't have time to write now but want to add mail address, etc. …

With love in Christ to you and Betty and brethren that you may see locally, Paul.

From: Paul Druckenmiller
Wed, 29 Jan 2003

Dear Gordon and Betty,
Just taking time today for a short visit to your site and and glad to see how active and up-to-date it still is.

Some local visits to ourselves have taken place, but we are not saying much about them yet to see if some light might shine in among the brethren through those who are concerned to make the visits.

With love in our Lord Jesus to you, Paul and Janet.

To: Paul Druckenmiller
Thu, 30 Jan 2003

Dear Paul and Janet,
Glad to have you visit MB again. I occasionally hear news of you through Andrew Robertson.

— has also had several visits but, other than seeing family after 30 odd years, nothing to encourage.

• Yes, how good it would be if the true light would shine into some of those dear ones.
  • "The people sitting in darkness has seen a great light, and to those sitting in the country and shadow of death, to them has light sprung up", Matthew 4: 16-17.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon and Betty.

From: Paul Druckenmiller
Fri, 31 Jan 2003

Dear Gordon and Betty,
Thanks for reply and for news about —. I am overdue to make a call to Andrew and Lois Robertson so thank you for reminder of them.

I did not get onto your site just now, but you had some reference to other brethren sites. What specifically did you have in mind?

I am troubled by some bad remarks in the Guest Book especially by a Peter French in Melbourne. I mean the Cloudnet Wyman Guestbook at Page 26 currently.

• He went off the deep end with foolish remarks about Mr. Darby and the apostle Paul even in what Paul wrote in Scripture by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Well, this library is about to close so will send love in Christ, from Paul and Janet.

To: Paul Druckenmiller
Tue, 4 Feb 2003

Dear Paul,
I can't recall the context of my remarks as to "other brethren web sites". Must be old age ;-) If you can point me to the spot on MB, I'll be glad to explain.

Yes, I can understand your concern as to some remarks in Dick Wyman's guest book.

• To be fair, Dick has been of good service to many in re-establishing contacts.

• However, the guest book seems to be turning into a chat room and some entries indicate a profound ignorance and lack of appreciation of earlier history.

• The attempt to blame JND and others for all the failure is as ridiculous as blaming Paul and the other apostles for the public failure of the church.

Andrew phoned to tell me of your call. He appreciates the contact with you. We all feel with you and Janet as to the emotional pressure that will be caused by the recent visits from your childred to lure you back.

Andrew also mentioned that you have the 3 volumes of Hubert Calvey's 'Confrontation ...'.

• I only have a not too good xerox of volume 1, but from that I'm convinced that his work should be preserved and be available as needed.

• If you would be good enough at some time to loan them temporarily, my co-editor would scan them into permanent computer form,
  • and they could then be emailed and/or printed for any with real interest.

• If available, we don't have any thought of posting them on MB but it's quite possible that some extracts would be very useful in filling out the 'History' group.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Paul Druckenmiller
Tue, 4 Feb 2003

Dear Gordon,
I haven't much time just now, but the reference is to your announcement under 'A Disclaimer':

• "A site with a name and URL similar to 'My Brethren' promotes practices extremely offensive to believers in the Lord Jesus. 'My Brethren' has no connection with that site – or with any similar sites – and is not responsible for, and does not condone, the presentation of such offensive material".

Gordon, I have recently acquired the complete set of Calvey letters from Elizabeth Smith so will discuss that on my next memo. Paul Druckenmiller.

To: Paul Druckenmiller
Tue, 4 Feb 2003

Dear Paul,

The reference in the 'Disclaimer' is not to any 'brethren' web sites such as Dick's, Steve's or others,

• but to the site of a "religious organization …" using the URL —. I recommend that you avoid it.

I look forward to hearing from you re Mr. Calvey's books.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Paul Druckenmiller
Wed, 5 Feb 2003

Hi Gordon,
Thanks for your reply. I would be very pleased to loan these to you.

• I learned about these quite a few years ago from Eardly Petersen of Westfield, but I did not pay enough attention to them. The recent visits are making us think of them.

• I had acquired Vol. 1 directly from Fred Greenlaw, now with the Lord, when I visited him with David Jensen, about the year 1998 when we had gone to California via Amtrak train.

• Fred Greenlaw only had this one volume and was making it available to persons who enquired via the Wyman site.

• I was very glad to see them in Robert Smith's collection; I could have borrowed them from him at any time. I now have 3 each of Vols. 1 and 3 but only one of Vol. 2.

• Their original size as printed and bound is 3 and 7/8 inch by 6 and 3/16 inch. Vols 1 and 2 are stapled through with heavy staples so they do not lay out flat very well, but the staples can be removed. Vol 3 is bound like a book of ministry, but the binding is not firm and most of the pages are loose.

Please give me your mailing address. I think I can send them US Certified mail if that applies to Canada or any way you might suggest. If you feel like phoning, my phone is —.

• Perhaps I might go to Mail Boxes and make myself a copy of No. 2 so I can use it while you have it. A duplicated copy from Mail Boxes probably would not help you in your scanning process.

1. Vol. 1 has title, 166 pages, 4 p. index, and letters Nos. 1-10 in year 1965;

2. Vol. 2 has title, 176 pages, 5 p. index, and letters Nos. 1-6, 9, 10, 12 in years 1965-66;

3. Vol. 3 has title, 193 pages, 6 p. indes, and letters Nos. 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 15 in years 1966-67 and includes
   • interesting letters to others such as Alan Price, A. J. Gardiner, S. McCallum and some letters from others as well.

I will be glad to hear from you about these.

With love in our Lord Jesus: Paul D.

To: Paul Druckenmiller
Thu, 6 Feb 2003

Dear Paul,
Thanks very much for your brotherly offer of the use of Hubert Calvey's 3 volumes.

• The information on the size of the volumes, contents, and how you obtained them is all of interest.

• I am sure that they will prove of great value in the future. As far as I know there is nothing comparable in its depth of examination of JTJr's teachings.

In reading Volume 1, I was impressed with the sober spirit in which Mr. Calvey wrote.

• It is due to the Lord and to HC's own commitment and perseverance that his work should be preserved.

• You may already know this but, at the February 21, 1961 Stow Hill meeting, AJG said
  • "I might say we are indebted particularly to our brethren Mr. Calvey and ... both of Southport, and ... who have done the whole labour of proof reading of the whole Bible".

• This is a testimony to the thoroughness with which HC would approach his work.

As my co-editor lives in California and will be doing the actual scanning it would be best to send them direct to him.

• He expects to be out of town for several days some time during the next few weeks and it would be best if he was present to receive the 'Certified' mail. Also it might be best to send them to his office. We'll check all this out and let you know shortly.

• In the meantime you will have opportunity to copy Volume 2 as you suggest. Even with 'Certified' mail it is prudent to have an extra copy in hand.

Thanks for your phone number. It would be good to speak with you.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

Re: Paul Druckenmiller
Sat, 8 Feb 2003

Paul and I had a very brotherly and interesting telephone conversation on Saturday evening.

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Ted Druckenmiller

To: Ted Druckenmiller
tedruckATquixnet.ne
Trenton, Missouri
Sun, 22 Sep, 2002

Dear Ted,
Thanks for your reply and news of you and Esther. I'm glad to know that you have visited 'My Brethren' and hope you will do so again.

• You may have noticed that, as the Lord helps, we are adding all Mr. Cowell's ministry.

Betty joins in love in our Lord Jesus to you and Esther, Gordon.

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Charles Dunn – See "With Christ"

To: Charles Dunn
A1FXGATaol.com
Horne, Surrey, England. (Near Gatwick)
Ex Reigate EB 'City'
Sat, 17 Apr 1999

Dear Charles,
Thanks for dropping in. Actually you peeked in on Jan. 21, 1999, and left a message for Andrew Robertson who contributed an article.

In the 'old days' we were close to Ken and Mary Wyllie, and Mary often spoke of you. I look forward to hearing from you again.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

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Heather Dutra

From: Heather Dutra
hrdutraATyahoo.com
Saettle, Washington, USA
Tue, 02 Sep 2003

The Besley family (John and Priscilla) have returned to the EB in England.

To: Heather Dutra
Wed, 10 Sep 2003

Dear Heather,
Thanks for the sad information re the Besley family. Based on earlier correspondence with Priscilla this is quite surprising. Perhaps their eyes will be quickly opened again.

I hope you find something of special interest on MB.

In the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

Your guest entries and messages will show that the continuation of My Brethren is important to you.

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