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The Worship of God Himself
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Ministry by J. Taylor
– Part One

The Worship of God Himself
The Temple of God and the Scriptures
The Creator of the Worlds
*** The Course of the Testimony
Church Principles
The Man of God - 1
The Man of God - 2
The Lord Knoweth Them That Are His
Authority in Doctrine and Fellowship - 1
Authority in Doctrine and Fellowship - 2
- Key to Initials         • Next


James Taylor Sr., 1870-1953

Those who are unfamiliar with JT should see Biography: J. Taylor.

The new series* of JT's ministry, originally published by Stow Hill Bible and Tract Depot, has 100 volumes – some 5,000 pages – almost all being notes of oral ministry in readings and addresses.

I value highly – and have benefited from – the ministry of all the servants represented on 'My Brethren'.

On this page, The Worship of God Himself, 1935, is a landmark reading, preparing the way for the final opening up of the service of God.

The Temple of God and the Scriptures is of note because its principles governed JT throughout his own ministry.

The Creator of the Worlds is of interest in showing mediatorship before the incarnation.

The Course of the Testimony and the two addresses on The Man of God bear particularly on the present day.

The Lord Knoweyh Them That Are His helpfully examines the various ways in which the Lord knows His people.

Authority in Doctrine and Fellowship convincingly establishes the scriptural position and exposes the widespread post-1959 error that 'authoritative ministry' proceeds from one man.


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Romans 11: 33-36; 16: 25-27; Ephesians 3: 20,21
A Reading at Eastleigh, Hants, August 9, 1935
Ministry by J. Taylor 68: 94-111
Key to some Initials:   C. A. Coates, Teignmouth    Alfred J. Gardiner, London
E. J. McBride, Croydon     J. Taylor Sr., New York     H. P. Wells, Leamington

J.T. These scriptures record the deep feelings that moved the apostle in his writing, first in the epistle to the Romans and then in the epistle to the Ephesians.

C.A.C. Yes, indeed. Would you suggest that the spirit of these wonderful utterances is intended to pervade the service and worship of the assembly?

J.T. I thought the consideration of them would lead us to the great end in view in all God's counsels and ways.

F.W.W. In what character do you view God in these doxologies?

J.T. Well, briefly: the first scripture in Romans 11 alludes to His wisdom, knowledge and judgments as manifested in His ways. His sovereign ways, His sovereignty affecting not only His people but those who are not such;

C.A.C. In what relation does that stand to the name of Father?

J.T. Well, I have been thinking lately that these relations into which God has entered through the incarnation have in mind what we are;

E.J.McB. You think of God as the supreme thought?

J.T. I think that is how Scripture presents the truth.

E.J.McB. And as to these doxologies, would the first one be more a question of His judgments, and the second one more a question of His wisdom, and the final one what we might speak of as the greatness of God? He is able to do all.

J.T. Quite so, as regards what is available for our help; and then, "To him be glory in the assembly in Christ Jesus unto all generations of the age of ages". Ephesians gives us the full thought.

C.S.S. Would that be suggested in Psalm 50: "Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined"?

J.T. Quite so, the shining out of God. It is not now the shining out of His creation, but He shines out of Zion, the perfection of beauty. The first doxology here is,

F.W.W. These doxologies result from the spirit of worship in the speakers?

J.T. That is what I was thinking, that in unfolding these sovereign ways of God in relation to Israel the apostle is moved first as to the depth of wisdom;

Ques. Would the title here be equivalent to the title in the first chapter of Genesis, "In the beginning God"?

J.T. I think so, I think that is what is in mind; it is God. "In the beginning God". The word is in the plural in Genesis 1, which would emphasise the thought of the Supreme, the One to be worshipped.

C.A.C. Are these ascriptions specially to be noted as being the only intimation of the character of worship on the part of the saints? We have no account in the New Testament of expressions used in the assembly, have we?

J.T. You mean that we have no psalter in the New Testa-ment, so we have to take these expressions as representative of what believers said in the early days.

L.M. As to God and the Father, would you say why John in his gospel and epistles puts the two thoughts alongside so often? For instance, in chapter 4,

J.T. While they run together, God is the great thought. "God is a spirit".

Ques. Is that the thought in 1 Corinthians 15: 28: "Then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all"?

J.T. That is the end.

E.J.McB. Is this somewhat similar to Israel's blessing of Joseph's sons, where he refers to the God that had brought Abraham and Isaac through?

J.T. That is what I think we might see, that the Spirit is aiming at that; God is to be worshipped because of what He is Himself.

Ques. As to the word of the Lord, "I ascend to my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God", John 20: 17, is God the higher thought there?

J.T. God is necessarily the greatest thought. The Father comes first there, but it never comes first in the epistles.

Ques. Is God as thus presented the Source and Object of all, in Romans?

J.T. That is what is stated plainly here, and with a view to that we see how He acted sovereignly in chapter 9, not only in regard to Isaac, but also in regard to Jacob and Esau.

T.C.F. Would you say that God has entered into a mediatorial position so that He might be known thus?

J.T. The relationship and the system of affections are really to lead us into a state great enough to worship God;

Ques. Is that the idea of glory in each scripture?

J.T. Exactly, the great end is God, and these relations set men free, set us free so that we might worship Him.

P.A.R. Would this doxology connect with Proverbs 8 in any way, the beginning of God's way there?

J.T. I think so, wisdom is in mind in that chapter as mark-ing His ways. That is the first thing mentioned in Romans,

G.C.S. In the song of Moses he says, "Ascribe ye greatness unto our God", Deuteronomy 32: 3.

J.T. Quite so, "greatness unto our God".

C.S.S. Is your thought that these depths of God's riches are made known to the assembly, as we get, "The Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God"; and He reveals them to us?

J.T. He does, but this is really in a way greater, because it extends back to what was remarked as to Proverbs 8; it goes back to the beginning of God's way; wisdom was there.

Ques. Is that what underlies the Lord's prayer in John 17?

J.T. The three chapters in Romans blend together in the apostle's mind by the Spirit.

Ques. Does this first doxology suggest the entire solution of every moral question for God Himself, everything caused to work for His glory in that way?

J.T. That is right; all is for Him.

Rem. I thought this treatise on the gospel comes in so that God gets His own pleasure out of man now, however viewed.

J.T. "Through him" – we have to understand how that works out; I think the epistle has that in mind.

Ques. Is it not the sovereignty of mercy that the apostle is speaking of here? Having learned what mercy is, it fits us to think of God in this worshipping way.

J.T. That is right; that comes into it, the idea of wisdom is the first thing mentioned.

C.A.C. And it is all God; if it is through Him, it is through God, not exactly through the Mediator. Is that important?

J.T. "Through him"; that is the reason why it is well to call attention to what is said about Jesus at the beginning as, "over all, God blessed for ever". It is God's doing,

T.C.F. Would you allow the suggestion that the thought of God in these doxologies is greater than that of God in Genesis 1?

J.T. It must be, for there we have the bare statement, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"; but now we have the unfolding of wisdom in God's ways.

L.O.L. Is it significant that we do not read much of wisdom until we come to Solomon? He asked for wisdom. Solomon wrote Proverbs 8.

J.T. You can see how great a thought wisdom is in Solomon, in God taking up a man and making him so wise.

When we come to the last chapter, the apostle has the mystery before him. Why did God keep it a mystery?

H.P.W. It says here, "According to commandment of the eternal God". That links us with the greatest thought of God.

J.T. Yes; God, but now the eternal God.

C.A.C. Is that the thought of the mystery of God in Colossians? It is what pertains to the knowledge of God Himself.

J.T. That seems to be how it stands. The mystery of God, I suppose, includes all that can be called mystery.

C.A.C. Then the apostle's agony of desire for the saints in Colossians 2 stands in direct relation to what you are bringing before us today.

J.T. He was combating. One feels how meagre we are in dealing with these immense matters, but yet they belong to us.

E.J.McB. Would the thought be that if one accepts the sovereignty of God and the wisdom that has taken one up, one would want to be established in the present ministry and the place the assembly has in the mystery of God?

J.T. The epistle, I suppose, augments this; the apostle does not go forward to unfold it to the Romans, but it is the expected outcome that should be looked for by those who have received the gospel;

C.A.C. Could we have a little on Ephesians 3?

J.T. Well, I thought it would be a good finish to our reading as leading up to the great end.

Rem. The Father's Spirit would give us ability to apprehend Christ in His greatness:

J.T. I think what you say suggests much. The relation entered into of Father and Son enables God to speak so as to be intelligible to us as to what He thinks of Christ, what His thoughts of Christ are.

E.J.McB. And that is conducive to the knowledge of God in a worshipful way.

J.T. Conducive to the full thought that God had in mind.

C.A.C. So this scripture confirms the line of thought you have been suggesting; the Spirit of the Father strengthening, and Christ dwelling in the heart through faith, leading up to the great thought of the fulness of God.

J.T. Yes; that there may be glory to God in the assembly in Christ Jesus.

C.S.S. Do you think that the knowledge of the Son of God referred to in Ephesians 4 is preparatory to our being filled to all the fulness of God as in chapter 3?

J.T. I should think so, but of course in the epistle it comes afterwards in relation to ministry.

A.J.G. Would that be the perfecting of the saints that you referred to at the beginning?

J.T. The perfecting of the saints comes in chapter 4, in the work of the ministry; the gifts are to that end, for the perfecting of the saints. That is to say,

Rem. I was wondering whether the thought is seen in the sons of God in Job 38: 7. The sons of God entered feelingly into what God was doing.

J.T. I think you can link that on with Paul here in Romans; how they were moved when the foundations of the earth were laid;

Ques. Have you the Holy Spirit in mind in relation to God?

J.T. Certainly; He is God Himself. God is here by the Spirit. That is why I was remarking that we should pay attention to the way Scripture speaks. We have in Genesis 1,

Rem. The heart of the apostle is bowed in the conscious sense of God's absolute supremacy.

J.T. That is what I was thinking. The apostle is great enough to speak to God in this way;

E.J.McB. We are to be competent to worship God intelligently.

J.T. And great enough in our feelings, not only to use the expressions, but great enough inwardly in ourselves in speaking to God.

O Blessèd God, our souls are moved as one
To render praise and wider glory still;
Our minds are filled with all that Thou hast done
In working out the counsel of Thy will.

We bow in adoration, for we know
It was Thy thought before the world began
To fill a scene where endless praise should flow,
And share Thy rest eternally with man.

And by the Spirit now we touch that rest,
And see, O God, the end of all Thy ways;
We stand in Christ as those Thy love has blest,
To serve Thee now and richest anthems raise.

We thus extol afresh Thy wondrous Name,
And bow before Thy glory all divine.
We worship still, while gladdened hearts exclaim –
"Thou canst be hindered in no thought of Thine!"

Hymn No. 406 (1973)   G. H. Stuart Price

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John 2: 18-22; 5: 46-47; 10: 35; Revelation 3: 12
An Address at Sydney, Australia, October 3, 1939
Ministry by J. Taylor, 48: 113-123

This service will take the character of remarks – I hope, in the power of the Spirit – on the Holy Scriptures and on the Temple of God.

John's Writings

I selected John's writings only, as they have peculiarly in view the last days.

So it is that bearing of John's ministry is toward our days, for which, those of us who have understood this and prove it, thank God continually.

The Scriptures and the Temple

I purpose to speak about the Scriptures first.

In the period of the Reformation, as many of us will know, the authority of scripture was asserted.

This great revival of the truth, so far-reaching, so illuminating, so practical, entering into the various meetings of the saints for the study of scripture and for ministry,

I mention these facts, here brethren, because we should know them.

No honest Christian would say that he understands all scripture, but, in dependence on God,

There are two words used for temple in the New Testament, both appearing in John 2: 14, 19, the former referring to the general building called the temple,

The Scriptures

I want first to speak of the Scriptures before continuing about the temple.

This is the first point; the second point I would make is the exposition of the Scriptures. "He expounded unto them", we are told by Luke.

Then again, I would say, Search the Scriptures. That is what the Lord says in John, "Search the scriptures".

The Temple

Well now, in the few minutes there left I wanted to return to the temple.

We need not, as I said before, be speculating if a thing is not clear to us in the Scriptures.

What a complicated state of things is now coming in? What darkness in varied forms of apostasy is spreading abroad rapidly! How essential that the temple should have its place!

Dear brethren, that is the need now – support and adornment of what is of God.

There are two things as to the house of God that the Psalmist – indeed David himself – stresses: "to behold the beauty of the Lord, and to inquire in his temple".


Blessed Holy Spirit,
Comforter divine,
Dwelling in the temple,
In the holy shrine –
Holy is Thy presence,
Holy is the place
Where Thou now art dwelling
In exceeding grace.

Unto thee ascribing
Glory, honour, power,
We would wait upon Thee
In this hallowed hour.
Let not human wisdom,
Nor let carnal thought
With unholy feelings
Hide what Thou hast brought.

Let Thy light transcendent
On the Scriptures shine,
Opening the treasures
Of the mind divine:
Thoughts of Christ in glory,
Of the Father's love,
Bringing in their shining
Wisdom from above.

Hymn No. 490 (1973)   James Macdonald

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Hebrews 1: 1-2; Acts 1: 1- 9
An Address at Edinburgh, July 4, 1950
Ministry by J. Taylor, 70: 395-403
Mrs. Andrew Robertson – then Miss Lois Wood of New York – was present at this address. Lois recalls that JT was pressed to give an address but in agreeing said that he only felt able for a short word and that perhaps some other brother would carry on. When JT sat down Mr. Harry D. Thomas of London did just that.

The brethren, doubtless, will be aware that Paul is the author of the epistle to the Hebrews, which affords much as to the Person of Christ, the deity of Christ.

The book of Hebrews therefore becomes a wide field for the enjoyment of the brethren, the enjoyment of their affections for Christ. How they admire Him, the glories of Christ, the death of Christ too, and the glory that should follow, as it is said.

It is recorded twice in the passage I read, that He was received up, or taken up, and, of course, it ought to appeal to our hearts, that ours is a going-up time.

We are not much conversant with the idea of the worlds – using the word in the plural, and that the worlds were made, or framed, by the word of God.

Moses did not speak of the worlds; it belongs to the many subjects treated by Paul in Hebrews.

Well now, I am coming back to my subject, and that is the word 'worlds' – whether we know anything about the worlds; that is to say, about them.

Now, in the passage I refer to here, in the second verse, this word 'worlds' is said to be a Jewish expression, though that is not in the scripture.

I hope the brethren will be patient with me, in trying to say what I am saying, because I think everybody will realise something of the magnitude of it, and however big the systems of the worlds are by themselves, they are God's creation and they cause worship in our hearts;

So now I want to say a word about the first chapter of the Acts. The dear brethren will be aware that all one is endeavouring to do is to help, especially the young people who are here, and who perhaps have not much taken account of these great and glorious things.

Well now, that helps me to say a further word as to the passage in the Acts that we have read; that is to say, the service of God is in mind, and the epistle to the Ephesians exemplifies what it implies, that we have to with such a realm, a non-created realm,

Here, as I said, we have the word, "having by the Holy Spirit charged the apostles whom he had chosen, he was taken up".

Now I am just going to say a word about the last verse of this paragraph, verses 1-9. It says,

So it is that I now close with this thought, in the last verse here,

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New York, 1908
Ministry by J. Taylor, 2: 317-320

A weighty obligation rests on the saints of the present generation. For many centuries Christ, viewed as typified by the ark of the covenant, had been obscured.

The recovery of the truth alluded to was by men of God.

But our present concern is to show that they were men of God, and so were honoured as taken up to bear witness beforehand to what God intended to set forth in Christ.

Now this precious treasure being in the world, who is to be, so to say, its custodian?

This involves a most important consideration as showing the divine way of transmitting the truth.

To return to the responsibility resting upon us now. God in recent times raised up men who recovered, as it were, the ark of the testimony. This was at the cost of much exercise and conflict.

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Exodus 33: 7-11; Deuteronomy 21: 1-9
Address at Edinburgh, 1915
Ministry by J. Taylor, 7: 323-331
  Compare Ministry: J. N. Darby 2: "Principles are Not Enough: We need God"
A casual reader might conclude that JND and JT disagree, but a careful reading makes it clear that their teaching is complementary.
JND warns against the legal abuse of divine principles which damages the saints, whereas JT insists that divine principles must not be compromised to retain souls which God Himself will do.   GAR

I thought this passage would help us in regard to fellowship.

  1. In the first passage Moses had the light of God's mind in his soul, and it was a question as to that with which he would connect it.

    • The testimony really has a universal bearing, and what is in connection with it locally must be in accord with it.

    • You cannot have one set of principles in one locality and another in another locality, you must have uniformity.

  2. In the second passage read we get the thought of local responsibility, in the city next to the slain man.

    • It is not only a question of what I can connect myself with, but having the testimony of God in my soul, I am concerned as to what it can be connected with. Moses came down from the mount with the desires of God in his heart, and what was he going to do?

    • It calls for consideration as to the persons you can connect yourself with and principles which are to govern you.

What decided Moses to take the course set before us in Exodus 33 was the knowledge he had acquired of God. He considered for God and what was suitable to God.

This chapter is interesting, because it gives us the principles of God in regard to the people. You have to take the previous chapter to get the bearing of it; indeed, you have to consider the whole section beginning from chapter 25.

The same kind of feeling governed David when he said,

The tent Moses pitched became an interest to the people. Those who sought the Lord went out to it. The first consideration is the testimony and the place for it.

Divine principles are abiding; they are eternal; the principles we stand for will be public in the world to come.

We have to see that the testimony is maintained in a clean place. That is the idea. You would not commit it to anything unclean or unsuitable.

Paul in similar circumstances says,

Holding the truth in love is the great thing. If you do that you will not let the people go. You hold the truth, but you hold it in love.

Christianity is a system established in wisdom. The four gospels give us wisdom as seen in Christ. Divine wisdom is seen there in relation to everything that existed on earth. In other words, they are the book of Proverbs personified.

Moses here saves the situation. His conduct shows what a knowledge of God he had.

The second scripture we read, Deuteronomy 21, gives the idea of what is local.

The foundations were untouched at Corinth. If the foundations are not destroyed you can go on, but if the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

The difference between the state of the Corinthians and that described in 2 Timothy is, that the saints had not given up the foundations at Corinth. In the main they still held the truth; the Holy Spirit was there; they were still regarded as the body of Christ.

The passage here reads "And the priests the sons of Levi shall come near … and by their word shall every controversy and every stroke be tried", Deuteronomy 21: 5.

The difficulty such as this Scripture has in mind develops where the priestly state is low. The only hope in Israel was the priest. Everything hinges on the priest.

The working out of the thing in Corinth produced the spirit of self-judgment.

This chapter guards us, but in a general way, the nearest meeting is held responsible. If we acted wisely, we would act on this principle; you may not have to wait.

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